Weird Sigma Discovery?

[Dr.-d]

I wonder if down the road this doesn't manifest into a recall of some sort like the PPK/S etc.

 

[WoodyUSSLUCE]

I just checked and it's in my spring too.

 

[conn ak]

Originally posted by 69Chevy:
Theres a dampener inside my spring. Looks like a synthetic material.
I'd never put anything like a cotton ball in a spring, hows the trigger feel when the cotton gets between the coils and the spring no longer pulls back.
Maybe a previous owner stuffed that in there.

Uh...er...I don't have anything like that in my spring on either of my Sigmas.

 

[S&W Rover]

Great pic, 69Chevy.

The spring in my new S&W M&P45 has something in it in the same location, but it is not white like yours, but oily and almost black (and harder to see).

This could be from firing the gun and cleaning it with liberal amounts of CLP.

I guess this material is something I can watch, to monitor for deterioration.

I wish I knew that the dampening material was synthetic and impervious to powder residue and CLP, which my guns always seem to have a fair amount of inside them.

 

[cshoff]

Originally posted by conn ak:
Uh...er...I don't have anything like that in my spring on either of my Sigmas.

Both of my Sigma's have it. They've been there since day one and have held up to hundreds of cleanings.

 

[gatorhugger]

i dont have cotton balls, synthetic materials, nothing in the springs.
So why do some have them and some do not.
Mine functions quite well with no cottom, so what's up with it, was it a short run of pistols that had it?

 

[conn ak]

Upon closer examination of my 40VE, there is a damping material in the spring. If you pull the trigger and shine a bore light in there, you might see it. Mine is charcoal black and nearly impossible to see, but it's there. Who knew?

 

[conn ak]

Originally posted by conn ak:
Upon closer examination of my 40VE, there is a damping material in the spring. If you pull the trigger and shine a bore light in there, you might see it. Mine is charcoal black and nearly impossible to see, but it's there. Who knew?

Will wonders never cease...the tampon is in my Sigma 9 as well.

 

[Jolly]

"...the tampon is in my Sigma 9 as well."

I have nothing constructive to add other than that comment made my day. LOL

 

[shawn mccarver]

Originally posted by gatorhugger:
i dont have cotton balls, synthetic materials, nothing in the springs.
So why do some have them and some do not.
Mine functions quite well with no cottom, so what's up with it, was it a short run of pistols that had it?

If your SIGMAs and M&Ps don't have them, then either: (1) you are not looking closely enough, (2) someone removed them or (3) they disintegrated through immersion in something and "went south." Either way, it is supposed to be there in the springs in both the SIGMA and the M&P. It is part of the design of the original SIGMA and continues to be in the SIGMA and it carried over to the M&P trigger return spring. I had a discussion about this with Joe Bergeron of S&W. Joe designed the M&P. When I spoke to him about it originally, he was unaware of the Frank James test and article about the early SIGMA which I mentioned in my earlier post.

I don't like the felt pad being there, and I am not defending it, but it is supposed to be there, so if you do not have one, I would get a new spring with the felt pad in place.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Originally posted by bubbaturbo:

Did you think that the "cotton ball" as you describe it just magically appeared in the middle of that coil spring?

As long as people don't go messing around with things that they don't know about

Wow. Could y'all be any more condescending?

I do not know about the other poster, but I could have been. I intentionally held back because I thought it rude to really say how I really felt.

 

[gatorhugger]

I did look more closely and it is there.
You cant see it until the spring is expanded which I didn't do before.
I love my 9VE, but I don't like this at all.
How long is felt supposed to last with oil and carbon and Hoppes copper remover on it?
Something polymer I could understand to dampen vibrations, a felt ball just seems idiotic.
Guns should not have parts inside designed for quick disintegration.

 

[Practical]

In the big scheme of things ALL polymer guns are intended for QUICK disintegration.

The Sigma, M&P, Glock and others are 1 lifetime or less guns.

VERY few guns these days will last 50 years.

Heirloom guns are a thing of the past.

These guns are tools. NOT works are art. Expect to use them and wear them out.

 

[conn ak]

Originally posted by Practical:
In the big scheme of things ALL polymer guns are intended for QUICK disintegration.

The Sigma, M&P, Glock and others are 1 lifetime or less guns.

VERY few guns these days will last 50 years.

Heirloom guns are a thing of the past.

These guns are tools. NOT works are art. Expect to use them and wear them out.

I'd have to agree with that. Compare a 1st or 2nd generation S&W semi to any poly gun. But a lifetime is a long time. Long enough, some might argue.

 

[bubbaturbo]

I do not know about the other poster, but I could have been. I intentionally held back because I thought it rude to really say how I really felt.

I was wrong. You're not condescending.

 

[S&W Rover]

I am tempted to order an extra spring or two, and replace mine (which has a felt piece that is obviously soaked in CLP) and, in the future, work very hard to keep CLP and Militec away from the spring/felt.

But am really looking for someone from S&W (they read these forums, right?) to join in and say that the new type of felt is impervious to gun oil and is functional even if wet, stained, etc.

 

[speedshooter]

as i was reading this i removed the slide and my 40ve has the cotton ball in it yet! gonna leave it cant see where it would make much of a difference in trigger pull.i have smoothed my trigger up and put a bunch of rounds through it dont know if its gotten lighter or im just more used to it or a little of both?

 

[speedshooter]

upon closer examination! it looks like the end off of a "Q-tip"

 

[BUFF]

"How strange..." is all I can say!

 

[dwhite53]

You might be surprised how long a piece of felt, especially if made of cotton, will last if exposed to oil, etc.

Not a big deal. It's not going to just dissolve away.

All the Best,
D. White