Based upon years of actual shooting and confrontation data, that is not realistic. So why keep training with outdated methods?
What a Smith 442 looks like after running the FBI handgun qualification
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Based upon years of actual shooting and confrontation data, that is not realistic. So why keep training with outdated methods?
gtoppcop
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Revolvers are "Old Man's Guns"! Yeah, right. Many of the GLOCK kids (and many new cops...) discount WHAT can be done with a good revolver (and the man behind it).
Good shooting. I carried a NP3'd 442 when I was on the job in metro Denver. She rode in a Rosen "Duncan's Ankle" rig on my left ankle and frequently came out when folks would walk up to the car when running radar, etc. They had no idea that they had a gun on them.
One thing I ALWAYS did was practice, practice and practice with her. Did I mention that I practiced shooting my J-Frame? We had a downstairs range in our sally port. When the blizzards hit, or it was slow we'd have a 0230 range session. I used an office chair situated perpendicular to the target and practiced several times emptying the piece into a target about 3 yards distant to simulate defending against a would-be patrol car ambush.
If you practice with them, the little J-Frame is downright accurate (and shootable). I like the way you shot...no vests, just what (and how...) you would carry them.
An added aside is that the J-Frame can be reloaded PDQ by the use of a JET speedloader. I routinely have my J-Frames' cylinders chamfered. The JET loader in the front pocket looks like a key fob. Think of them as a J-Frame version of the Safariland COMP III. They can be had at Brownells for about $25. How much is your life worth?
As of late, I've been taking our Master Bedroom's cordless phone to the range. A Range Officer asked WHY? I showed him: Having the phone to your ear (simulated 911 call), shoot a target one-handed (natural crook of the arm...NOT 'Gangsta' style...) and shoot. Hits on a paper plate-area at that range are what we're after.
Great Thread!
Good shooting. I carried a NP3'd 442 when I was on the job in metro Denver. She rode in a Rosen "Duncan's Ankle" rig on my left ankle and frequently came out when folks would walk up to the car when running radar, etc. They had no idea that they had a gun on them.
One thing I ALWAYS did was practice, practice and practice with her. Did I mention that I practiced shooting my J-Frame? We had a downstairs range in our sally port. When the blizzards hit, or it was slow we'd have a 0230 range session. I used an office chair situated perpendicular to the target and practiced several times emptying the piece into a target about 3 yards distant to simulate defending against a would-be patrol car ambush.
If you practice with them, the little J-Frame is downright accurate (and shootable). I like the way you shot...no vests, just what (and how...) you would carry them.
An added aside is that the J-Frame can be reloaded PDQ by the use of a JET speedloader. I routinely have my J-Frames' cylinders chamfered. The JET loader in the front pocket looks like a key fob. Think of them as a J-Frame version of the Safariland COMP III. They can be had at Brownells for about $25. How much is your life worth?
As of late, I've been taking our Master Bedroom's cordless phone to the range. A Range Officer asked WHY? I showed him: Having the phone to your ear (simulated 911 call), shoot a target one-handed (natural crook of the arm...NOT 'Gangsta' style...) and shoot. Hits on a paper plate-area at that range are what we're after.
Great Thread!
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I've got some on order. When they get here, I'll see how it goes with my FBI configuration 3" Model 13 and a 158 gr +P FBI clone load.
My dept uses CCI Blazer 'clean fire' on the range. That stuff doesn't foul like the pics, but the unburnt powder bits that get EVERYWHERE are annoying!! Under the star, I the chambers, all over the forcing cone, bore & under the grips: yes,under the grips. Grrrrrr!!
AZretired
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Nice shooting, but where is the pic of your target? I also agree with the article, the course is redundant and not a very good test of markmanship.
It is an excellent drill if you don't cheat. You are doing it from full concealment with par times. All the paper punchers get so hung up on marksmanship. This focuses on the ability to draw and make shots accurately fast. I carry aiwb under a shirt. Not owb on my belt under a photog vest. My reload is on a Ted blocker clip half in my belt. Not in a carrier that is owb. The par times and draw is what makes it a challenge at short range. But of course people cheat by not running it like they conceal carry and get these perfect targets and have no issues making the times.
But of course it is redundant. Repeatability equals proficiency. That's why I train. Not just this drill. On the move. Stationary. One handed. String and weak handed. Force on force. Close range. Distance.
As for the target. Dunno where the photo is. Plenty of target photos in the article when I ran the Wilson 5x5x5 drills. Also a photo of my target when I ran it in my charter bulldog thread it was pretty similar to that.
You should start a thread or reply and share some of your non redundant marksmanship based training. Then we would have a constructive reply that everyone can benefit from. I'm always up to try new things or old things. Training is training.
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