There is no draw from the front pocket while driving or seated, that is why I have another gun in the console. When I was working, of course there was a gun on the hip, or in a shoulder rig, all depending on the assignment and place.
Why are people more cautious carrying a chambered bodyguard 2.0?
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I wonder if some of these master of pocket carry types could also practice with a snap cap in there pocket handgun and see what there draw and fire times are while eating a meal at home . Have a friend , wife , or who ever press bottom on a shot timer to see how well you really react . There one guy thats carried a snubby for years and says he's very fast but his hand is already on his snubby while standing /walking around . Thats the kind of guy I'm paying closer attention too .
Could be some of the pocket carry types may feel only a tucked in shirt is there thang so pocket carry on I guess . Carhartt makes t-shirts that have a fuller cut around the waist that makes CC;n a full size pistol on your side easy . Cap cap makes many options in well made heavy durt shirts with sqyare tails and polo styles and latin / sland shirts are the old school un tucked shirts . Even appendix carry for the more slender body's can be very fast to draw and fire .
Do not limit how you carry do to lack of practice with other ways . For me a full size pistol is CC'ed at 3:00 and a smaller pistol like my hellcat pro can be AIWP carried . I'm 5-9 and 195lb not slender old man but aiwb does work well .
Could be some of the pocket carry types may feel only a tucked in shirt is there thang so pocket carry on I guess . Carhartt makes t-shirts that have a fuller cut around the waist that makes CC;n a full size pistol on your side easy . Cap cap makes many options in well made heavy durt shirts with sqyare tails and polo styles and latin / sland shirts are the old school un tucked shirts . Even appendix carry for the more slender body's can be very fast to draw and fire .
Do not limit how you carry do to lack of practice with other ways . For me a full size pistol is CC'ed at 3:00 and a smaller pistol like my hellcat pro can be AIWP carried . I'm 5-9 and 195lb not slender old man but aiwb does work well .
I also carry the BG 2.0 in an Alabama Holster kydex pocket holster and NTS. The average Glock 19 has a 5.5 lb trigger and my two BG 2.0 pistols both have an approximate 4.5 lb trigger. But many Glock 19s will have less than 5.5 so there is surely some overlap. I don't think there is a real difference there. I think NTS is safer, at least for me, because I treat the holster as an external safety. I do this with all pistols. If the gun is in the holster, the safety is on. When the pistol is drawn from the holster, the safety is off. I don't have to think about it or get confused about what position the safety is in.
I second the idea that you should replace the pistol in the holster *outside* of the pocket. The moment of greatest danger is when you are re-inserting the pistol into the holster and the trigger can catch on something.
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For me, pocket carry is a very niche option. It would never be my first choice just like off body carry isn't my first choice. When it is called for or makes sense then I like having that option.
Place me firmly in the group that says dropping ANY kind of gun loose into a pocket sans holster is a nutty practice. (no pun)
Place me firmly in the group that says dropping ANY kind of gun loose into a pocket sans holster is a nutty practice. (no pun)
kbm6893
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You sleep with a gun on your hip? You take it in the shower? You ever exercise? You do that with your gun on?
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The potential problem is not so much of the non-safety model going off in your pocket when your hand is not on the gun; the issue is when you are pulling it out of or putting it in your pocket. Whether a pocket holster is used or not. The chance of a fold of fabric catching the edge of the trigger and safety paddle and firing the gun when putting it back in your pocket is not insignificant. The trigger finger could catch it while pulling it out of the pocket.
A careful person paying attention will not be at high risk of an AD at the range or shooting at home with a non-safety BG 2.0, but in a stressful situation the risk is higher.
A good pocket holster makes things a little safer as well.
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You should never be re-holstering under stress. I believe it was Massad Ayoob that said you should be very quick to draw and exceedingly slow to re-holster, and at that, be very diligent about not re-holstering until everything is quiet, and you've taken your time to assess your surroundings.
What you are saying is generally good advice, but the fact remains that whether the person is under stress or not, they are not going to follow that advice.
Most carriers have never heard that advice, or ever given a thought to re-holstering their gun, whether on pocket or belt.
"Most carriers have never heard that advice, or ever given a thought to re-holstering their gun, whether on pocket or belt."
My experience is different….
According to a University of Washington study, three out of five U.S. firearm owners have received formal gun training.
In addition to professional formal training, there are other training and firearm education avenues that also provide good firearm handling and safety, like family, YouTube and range time.
I believe those civilians who choose to carry a defense pistol, by far the majority have been educated on the risks, safety, and legal issues. The majority also go a range for practice frequently.
I thought it meant No Thumb Safety. The thingy sticking out from the trigger is kind of a trigger safety, can't pull the trigger unless you pull the thingy in first. So if you happen to hit the trigger on the side, but not the thingy, she not go boom.
Surprise. I have found a lot of misinfo on google's AI. Don't depend on it much. Look at a 380 or 9mm EZ on Bud's, ts clearly shows a safety, nts doesn't. Self explanatory.Google's AI is not quite up to date....
Nowhere can I see NTS defined as No Thumb Safety.
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I absolutely do NOT believe that 60% of gun owners have received formal firearms training. Have you been to a public range in your life? I only shoot on weekdays in the morning. Ranges with range officers are slightly better, but even then, watch them struggle to load a magazine. Whoever answered that poll most likely has a very different opinion of firearms training. Cousin Cletus in the backyard doesn't count.
As for the majority practicing regularly, I'm calling nonsense on that one. I know three people at my job who bought a gun during Covid, fired ONE magazine at the range, and the gun hasn't been used since. Doubt it was even cleaned after that one magazine.
I find that quite impossible to believe. I would have to see exactly how they came up with that number, and then see some corroborating evidence, before I would believe it.
My own (completely un-scientific) observations would lead me to expect the number of those with formal training to be in the neighborhood of 25% at most, and probably much less than that.
I've been a gun owner since 1978, and fairly active during the last 5 years with a small goup of guys. We hit a range once or twice a month.
The ranges are always packed with people, including classrooms. For our group, I reserve 2 to 6 lanes about 2 weeks in advance.
I do lots of research, some published, and non-published, reports and data is questionable in my mind. As we know, firearms and our 2nd Amendment have been under attack for over a hundred years. In my 52 years in scientific research, articles (white papers, books, etc) published by an academic is too often blatantly biased, and the data cannot adequately support the outcome.
Since I only can relate to what I personally have experienced, I don't know about people beyond the ones I personally see and know.
So… as I stated, for those that I personally know who carry a defense pistol do have some type of training and do practice at least once a month. I believe the majority who carry a defense pistol are likely to have some training.
"Friday, July 28, 2017
The United States does not have a national standard or requirement for firearm safety training prior to purchasing a gun, putting the responsibility on gun owners and those who live with them to find ways to learn firearm safety. Only about three in five U.S. firearm owners have received any formal gun training, according to a new study from the University of Washington."
As we know, surveys can be purposely biased. That survey by of the University of Washington does seem heavy on the percentage of formal training.
The ranges are always packed with people, including classrooms. For our group, I reserve 2 to 6 lanes about 2 weeks in advance.
I do lots of research, some published, and non-published, reports and data is questionable in my mind. As we know, firearms and our 2nd Amendment have been under attack for over a hundred years. In my 52 years in scientific research, articles (white papers, books, etc) published by an academic is too often blatantly biased, and the data cannot adequately support the outcome.
Since I only can relate to what I personally have experienced, I don't know about people beyond the ones I personally see and know.
So… as I stated, for those that I personally know who carry a defense pistol do have some type of training and do practice at least once a month. I believe the majority who carry a defense pistol are likely to have some training.
"Friday, July 28, 2017
The United States does not have a national standard or requirement for firearm safety training prior to purchasing a gun, putting the responsibility on gun owners and those who live with them to find ways to learn firearm safety. Only about three in five U.S. firearm owners have received any formal gun training, according to a new study from the University of Washington."
As we know, surveys can be purposely biased. That survey by of the University of Washington does seem heavy on the percentage of formal training.
Saw a guy and his GF recently, while I was hanging out at the range after a session, came in with a new Smith and Wesson box. Goes out to the lane, pulls a 9mm shield (it looked like) with NTS out and sets it on the bench. Pulls out one mag, takes about 10 minutes to load it full, inserts it, points the gun downrange (the only correct thing he did) and pulls the trigger. No joy. Fiddles with the gun, gets the book out, thumbs through it, then racks the slide. Fires one round, looks at the gun, then fires the rest of the mag rapid fire (all this at about 10 yards). Think he hit the target maybe 3 times. Studies the gin again, drops the mag, reloads the mag (another 10 minutes), mag back in gun, rack slide, drop gun in pocket and swaggers out. Yep swaggers.
Felt like asking him which way he was goin when I left so I could go the other way.
Scary
Felt like asking him which way he was goin when I left so I could go the other way.
Scary
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I just posted a thread on how I built up my own gas pedal on the right side of my 2.0
using JB Weld black epoxy. You could mix up a small batch and with a toothpick place small dabs on the safety to build it up. The epoxy bonds like the devil to the polymer parts and when sanded(its glossy when dry) it matches very well to the color and texture of the gun parts.Most of the firearms training is not handgun-specific. It is usually hunter safety courses. And a large percentage of people who have had some kind of formal training seem to ignore or forget what they have been told.
I have posited the idea, with a high likelihood of being right, that most people, good and bad, that have successfully neutralized a human target with a handgun, have had no formal training in the proper use of that weapon.
