Why Not Have A Safety On An M+P ?

You guys keep sidestepping around the numbskulls that point their weapons at people or wave them around BECAUSE the safety is on. Careless for sure, but it's a big world and people do it.

I would bet more 'injuries to others' ND's happen on guns with safeties than without. I don't know how to look up the stats or whether to believe what I would find, but a clothing mishap may cause a gun to discharge, but it's not going to hit a kid down the street.

Horseplay and carelessness 'because the safety is on' is something I hear about more often.
 
My reason for not having a safety is different from others. How many out there practice clearing a type 3 malfunction? While I haven't tried it on an M&P, when I rack the slide hard 3 times on guns with a thumb safety, if I'm not careful I ram my hand into the safety. Let me tell you, it doesn't feel good. That may be just me and I always rack the slide with an overhand grip. Keeps the gun pointed in which is a good habit to get into.

I'm not against manual safeties. I'm also not naive enough to think enough to think I'll never have an accidental discharge if I'm not careful 100% of the time. I think "I've been around guns my whole life, I'll never have a negligent discharge". Then I think that's probably what almost everyone thought before they had a negligent discharge.

I also don't buy the argument of the safety maybe costing you your life in a gun fight. If you practice enough, flipping off that safety will be second nature.
 
....but I have seen WAY too many unsafe people at MULTIPLE ranges....

I frequent the NRA HQ range - feel safe - the duty range instructor keeps a great eye on shooters, they know who the new shooters are - they have asked people to leave who continued to demo unsafe actions.

Remember the hospital is the #1 place people die, so if you want to live - avoid the place:rolleyes:

Another interesting read: http://www.medlockgunrange.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=17

"Since 1930, the number of annual fatal firearms accidents has decreased 56%, while the number of privately owned
guns has quadrupled and the U.S. Population ahs doubled. (National Center for Health Statistics, National Safety
Council, Bureau of Census, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and firearms industry reports.)"
 
My holster is MY safety.

I think I have read each and every post in this thread. The argument about safeties, hammers and triggers all have their merits. All designs are not only to help us be safe but also (and maybe primarily) to keep manufacturers from being sued. After all, the intent for them to make them and the reason we buy them is to shoot them, right?
I believe our best safety takes place upstream before any of these come into play.

I believe your holster is your best safety devise of all both in the moment and after the fact.

What are the odds of shooting a gun while it is in the holster?
As soon as a weapon is drawn, the user is at risk regardless of safeties or lack of. Once we have access to the trigger, risk accelerates and regardless of equipment the burden boils down to the user and his/her decisions and actions that follow.

I believe the best safety is your holster.

Legally, an accidental discharge or a righteous shooting will be costly. So long as it is in the holster, there is no threat of legal action costing you time, money, potiential loss of income or jail time. Even brandishing your weapon gets you jail time but only if you take it out of the holster.

The endless arguing about whether one is in the chamber or whether a manual safety all takes place after the gun is removed from a holster (or should). For that reason, my mindset is to NEVER remove it from the holster without the belief it is ready to fire. If I draw it, I am either making it safe or making ready but always I am believing it is dangerous. My holster is MY safety.

The NRA's first rule of safety is to always point it in a safe direction. The assumption here is that it is in your hand. The rule is to make us practice, use and assume the gun is loaded.

Following in that same vein of thought, I believe that the mindset for me is to believe that when it is drawn it is ready to fire. I have no desire to check safeties, hammers. Using other safety features gives me a false sense of security.

All that said, i own varing types both with and without. I humbly think that having varying types can be a detrament. Rote repetition is our best training device. But no matter how trained or how much we practice, a crisis brings out the worst in all of us.

My mindset is that when I draw it, it is hot. I believe it and I set mine up that way. It is not infallible-it is the best I know for me to do.

The greatest problem with this is reholstering after we relaxed and the danger, of course, is having your finger or clothing catch on the trigger.
I have the mindset to think before I move, remove my finger from within the guard and watch the gun as I move it back into the holster.

Lastly, redundacy is today's preferred safety slogan. It is necessary and works for the masses when many use the same equipment where some have different levels of training or experience. Right or wrong, I discount this as this is just me and just my gun. In this case, I am only responsible for me, not 59 others who borrow it. If I rented one or sold one, I would feel differenlty about this.

It's not perfect but if something worked perfectly, we wouldn't need a discussion nor have a debate. In spite of varying opinions, there are millions of guns out there and many days go by without incident by those you are good citizens. Say that about cars, motorcycles etc. (I have 2 motorcycles BTW)

I have just bought another without a manual safety, if this is my last post...maybe I was wrong. :0)
 
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Sure you can have a manual safety on your gun if it makes you feel better but with or without a manual safety the gun can not shoot unless you pull a cantilever trigger that will allow the striker in the pistol to go forward and hit the primer.

Being a striker fired weapon like the Glock the M&P has no hammer to fall and then hit a firing pin and a thumb safety only block the action of a hammer from striking a firing pin even if you do not pull a trigger.

In other design even the revolvers can go off by being dropped, but not a striker fired weapon the reason is there is no hammer that can make the striker hit the center-fire cartridge and go boom!

An M&P is safe even without a thumb safety because it is not what COULD CAUSE the weapon from going off by dropping it is safe only if you do not pull the special cantilever trigger which is usually an intentional act with the outcome expected to be a large boom and recoil from the weapon!

You keep saying that a striker fired gun won't go off if you drop it, big deal I have never dropped a gun in my life, but it surely will go bang if you pull the trigger, intentional or not!... Come to think of it, since I have never dropped a gun in my life, I must be one of the perfect ones and maybe I don't need any stinkin safety on my gun cause I will never mess up and have an accident... Hummmmm, sure would increase the speed of my quick draw and of course I wouldn't have to be bothered with flicking off that confounded safety cause I can't seem to remember I have a safety on my gun, but I can most certainly remember every other rule of gun safety and operation... Do you realize that you are putting a mechanical piece of equipment (possibility of failure) in to the hand and mind of a less the perfect human being and you are expecting 100% perfection, meaning there will NEVER be an accident?...REALLY?
 
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You keep saying that a striker fired gun won't go off if you drop it, big deal I have never dropped a gun in my life, but it surely will go bang if you pull the trigger, intentional or not!... Come to think of it, since I have never dropped a gun in my life, I must be one of the perfect ones and maybe I don't need any stinkin safety on my gun cause I will never mess up and have an accident... Hummmmm, sure would increase the speed of my quick draw and of course I wouldn't have to be bothered with flicking off that confounded safety cause I can't seem to remember I have a safety on my gun, but I can most certainly remember every other rule of gun safety and operation... Do you realize that you are putting a mechanical piece of equipment (possibility of failure) in to the hand and mind of a less the perfect human being and you are expecting 100% perfection, meaning there will NEVER be an accident?...REALLY?

He's saying that a safety lessens the possibility of an ND and you know it, but you'll twist his statement to support your views. There have been many documented cases of safeties preventing a tragedy. Just find me some that show how they have caused one. And he's not saying they should even be mandatory, he's just pointing out the absolute arrogance of people who are 100% convinced that they will never make a mistake.
 
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I have no use for a mechanical safety on any of my self defense weapons and will never use one.
If you feel differently that is swell and puhleeze understand that you will not sway my belief with your ridiculous arguments.
I think some of the folks posting in this thread probably outfit themselves with a helmet, knee and elbow pads, a mouth guard, nutcup, shin guards, buttplug, goggles, ear plugs, steel toed boots, leather gloves, pants, jacket, and a catchers mask then strap on a flap holster containing a 1911 fitted with a magazine disconnect so they can feel safe walking to the mailbox.
Sheesh, let's give it a rest.
 
You guys keep sidestepping around the numbskulls that point their weapons at people or wave them around BECAUSE the safety is on. Careless for sure, but it's a big world and people do it.

I would bet more 'injuries to others' ND's happen on guns with safeties than without. I don't know how to look up the stats or whether to believe what I would find, but a clothing mishap may cause a gun to discharge, but it's not going to hit a kid down the street.

Horseplay and carelessness 'because the safety is on' is something I hear about more often.
Do you really believe that we bought our guns with safeties just so we could wave them around like idiots or be careless in every respect putting ourselves and everyone around us in danger??? What the hell are you thinking?... We bought them with safeties to go one more step with the safe handling and operation of our gun for our protection and others around us...You know, something you feel you do not need to do...Why don't you go on you tube and post some the the many videos show ND's involving idiots waving around guns with safeties... I sure there must be many... While you are at it, why don't you post some of those many videos showing the Glocks going bang when they were not supposed to... You know, those pistol with "3 safeties" including that "safe action trigger"... According to Glock, the gun will not go bang unless the trigger is pulled, so how can that be possible if you all keep your finger off the trigger???...I believe Glock also recommends not carrying one in the chamber... Imagine that...
 
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Thumb Bend

I objected to a safety until I pulled the trigger. There is not much pull until it goes bang.

If you bend your thumb as you draw the Shield you can easily sweep the trigger before the entire gun is out of your pocket.

Russ
 
I objected to a safety until I pulled the trigger. There is not much pull until it goes bang.

If you bend your thumb as you draw the Shield you can easily sweep the trigger before the entire gun is out of your pocket.

Russ
You are absolutely right, there is a very short break on my new shield... If there was not a manual safety then I would not carry it with one in the chamber...
 
Interesting how every gun forum goes here on a regular basis. I've got both M&P's, ( no safety), and 1911's, (3 external safeties). Personally, I feel safer carrying the M&P in C1, but that's me.
Wow, another safety thread....
 
I like all types of firearms and since many of them do not have the option of not having a safety, it is only prudent to train as if you do have one and it is on.
 
I bought my 45C with the thumb safety because I am a die hard 1911 shooter, but after shooting the M&P for several months I removed the safety.

I did this only because the position of the safety does not allow a thumb high hold with my hand configuration. All of my 1911s wear Gunsite lo mount safeties to allow this type of shooting hold, but the M&P does not with my shorter finger reach. I still love the 45C even without a safety.

If I can ever find someone that can custom make a lo mount safety for the 45C I will put it back on.
 
I bought the thumb safety model FS 9mm because my main range and carry guns are 1911s. Shooting high thumbs is a breeze and like second natural when it comes time to sweep off the safety. Thumbing it back on when reholster is a nice thing to have as well. Glad they make the double stack M&Ps with and without the thumb safety so there are no arguments......wait......uuuh oooooh....

I'm actually glad to see the Shield have a thumb safety as well. :eek:

Use it or don't use it when it comes to the Shield. It seems harder to put on than it is to take off which tells me they made it small enough for either preference.
 
My biggest problem is I can't decide whether to get my M&P40 with a safety or without. Does having a safety lead to increased mechanical problems due to the safety?
 
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