Why would I want a hybrid car?

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I've been in four pretty serious car wrecks in my life. One a guy ran me off the road in my Mazda RX 7 at 70 mph, another I was riding in a Volvo 740 and we ran into a BMW then jumped over the curb and landed in a vacant lot. Another I was riding in a Monte Carlo and another riding in a Chevy pickup. During all wrecks my head slammed into the roof of the vehicle even wearing my seat belt/shoulder harness except in the Chevy pickup. I'm 5-9 and had bad headaches but if I had been a little taller I would have had serious head and neck injuries if not been killed. I'm sure a Prius is a fuel efficient little car but I would not want to be in a wreck in one and I feel a lot safer with me and my family in my Ram pickup and will gladly pay a little extra for fuel.

Sounds like you need to pick better people to ride with.

Particular events with cars can become aversion therapy. Acquaintance in England rolled a 1970s Ford and woke up cover in gasoline. As a result he refused to travel in the front as the law at the time required he wear a seatbelt. Hardly a good choice, and ridiculous in a modern car where the gas gets automatically cut off when there is a wreck. How he has got on since they changed the law requiring 100% seatbelt use I cannot say.
 
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Sounds like you need to pick better people to ride with.

Particular events with cars can become aversion therapy. Acquaintance in England rolled a 1970s Ford and woke up cover in gasoline. As a result he refused to travel in the front wear the law of the time required he wear a seatbelt. Hardly a good choice, and ridiculous in a modern car where the gas gets automatically cut off when there is a wreck. How he has got on since they changed the law requiring 100% seatbelt use I cannot say.

Affirmative .... Had an inlaw mopar dealer that pretty much pumped the whole family full of dodge through the 80's and 90's ...
Lee Iacocca owes me a pair of walking shoes.
For all the instant pedestrian moments with the brand, my faith in those machines is a negative figure. It's seriously to the point that I won't get in one, and will opt to hoof it.
 
Hybrids' are for people who like to share food in a restaurant, they can't make up their minds. :)
I'm sticking with petrol, and my Jeep Grand Cherokee which sucks up plenty. :)
 
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Hybrids' are for people who like to share food in a restaurant, they can't make up their minds. :)
I'm sticking with petrol, and my Jeep Grand Cherokee which sucks up plenty. :)

Another perspective might be that hybrids are for those who aren't so stuck in their way of thinking, that they are willing to consider an option that gives them the best of both worlds.

You know, like those who would choose to order the "surf and turf" instead of JUST a steak... :D
 
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My mom and dad bought a 2009 Prius. Dad passed in 2013 and in 2014 my mom traded in the Prius, along with a 2010 RAV4, on a new 2014 Prius. Mom passed in February 2015 and left the Prius to me. It had 3000 miles on the odometer.

I thought about trading it on a P/U, but I was driving 50 miles a day round trip for work. I decided to keep it for a while.

It now has 80K on it and gets better than 50 MPG. The only thing I have done to it is buy tires, wiper blades and change the oil and filter every 5K miles. It has plenty of get up and go while merging on the interstate. I still have dad's '88 F150 4x4 for hauling stuff, off road and snowplowing.

My wife has a 2004 Ford Escape and when it needs to be replaced, we'll probably buy a Toyota hybrid SUV.
 
One feature of the F-150 hybrid is the option of several KW of auxiliary 120 volt power in multiple bed outlets. Could be handy for worksites, farm, camping. Wouldn't have to haul a portable generator around.
 
Take a look at this. You might be anti Japan or foreign maker but, they are looking into the near future. They are more practical than the US makers are. Our government is pushing a solution now that is still many years away and by all accounts pollutes just as much to make and use.

Toyota Takes Aim at EVs With Ammonia Engine

For those that are turning their noses up at the Hybrids need to test drive a Camry Hybrid and then talk. :eek:

Just sayn:rolleyes:
 
While I'm a heretic about man's contribution to climate change, the hybrid system does make sense. However, the time I keep vehicles is measured in decades, not years. Before I jump in the bandwagon I want to see both a practical system for battery replacement and some realistic cost estimates. There have been some indications that the cost of battery replacement may exceed the value to the vehicle. Drive it till it dies then scrap it and buy a new one is not a good business model for the long term. At least to me.

Next year I expect to put some serious money in a '96 pickup. I could foot a professional frame up restoration for less than they want for new with less capability.
 
While I'm a heretic about man's contribution to climate change, the hybrid system does make sense. However, the time I keep vehicles is measured in decades, not years. Before I jump in the bandwagon I want to see both a practical system for battery replacement and some realistic cost estimates. There have been some indications that the cost of battery replacement may exceed the value to the vehicle. Drive it till it dies then scrap it and buy a new one is not a good business model for the long term. At least to me.
Depending on the longevity of the battery - and the replacement costs - that may or may not be a good business OR "environmental" model.

The cost to scrap and replace a whole vehicle prematurely, just because it becomes too expensive to fix, may more than wipe out any environmental and/or even financial benefits you got from owning it.

Caveat Emptor - and do your own research before making a decision.
 
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Not exactly true! The town council in Marshall, Michigan voted down against where the Ford EV Battery facility was to be built in their area, because of possible Chinese presence at the location! But there are at least five other facilities either already built or to be constructed in the state of Michigan for the same purpose of manufacturing Ford EV Batteries…


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...Before I jump in the bandwagon I want to see both a practical system for battery replacement and some realistic cost estimates. There have been some indications that the cost of battery replacement may exceed the value to the vehicle. Drive it till it dies then scrap it and buy a new one is not a good business model for the long term....
Well now, here's a horror story that'll be right up your alley, even though it's for an EV.

Electric car shock: Ontario man told new battery would cost more than $50,000
“The first one I had was very reliable,” said Sooch, so he didn’t hesitate to trade up.

He bought a 2017 Ioniq made by Hyundai. Sooch was its second owner. The vehicle had already been driven 69,000 kilometres but the warranty covering the electric charging system and battery was good for 160,000 kilometres..

The quoted cost, including the battery, installation and taxes came to more than $50,000.

The battery failure happened at 172,345 kilometres. The 160,000-kilometre warranty had recently run out.

“I felt like I got kicked in the privates,” Sooch said in an interview. He said he had two choices: pay to repair the vehicle or scrap it.

Sooch chose the latter because the cost of repairs exceeded the value of the vehicle.​


The reply from Hyundai's PR division (!!) was typical boilerplate BS. (IMHO, the CEO of Hyundai Canada should have addressed this personally):
Jennifer McCarthy, Hyundai Canada’s national manager of public relations, said that “comprehensive diagnostic tests were not completed on the vehicle … (and the vehicle) … was scrapped by the customer before these diagnostic procedures could be completed, precluding a definitive assessment of the required service.”

She said the estimate provided to Sooch “was not representative of the likely actual cost in this case.”

McCarthy said the case “should have been escalated immediately for additional review.”

“We sincerely apologize to Mr. Sooch for these lapses in communication and service,” she said.

...the company is prepared to “resolve this situation by paying fair market value for his vehicle either in cash or towards a new Hyundai, as part of our commitment to our customers.”
This is likely atypical, but I jave read a few stories of sticker shock when replacing EV batteries. Cost should be lower for a hybrid, but it shows that you need to get "all the T's crossed and I's dotted" before signing, especially with relatively new technology like this.

Like you, I keep my vehicles for as long as possible. My 2012 Ranger could very well outlive my remaining driving life, although at only 71, I'll probably want to go hybrid when I feel I no longer need to schlep as much stuff.
 
No need to apologize, but their usage likely isn't (for example) mine. I also don't know the area your kids live. I live in a rural area and help isn't exactly around the corner. I gripe a lot about overly complex/gussified regular vehicles too. More stuff to boost repair costs.

My apologies, but while interesting, a single digit sample isn't real convincing.
 
I commute to work, 70 miles each way. That's a lot of gas, and a lot of miles, with quite a bit of maintenance. I drive a civic, with 36mpg. While I might save a few bucks on gas if I drove a hybrid. I still have to change the oil, filters, and the brakes. Not to mention anything else that goes wrong. A hybrid just sounds like a maintenance nightmare, beginning the minute the warranty expires, and responsibility for performing that maintenance falls to me. Wonder what the resale value would be on an old worn hybrid? I can flip my old civic in a single weekend by putting it on the curb with a sign. And get 25% of what it cost me to buy several years ago. Try that with an old hybrid.
 
Well now, here's a horror story that'll be right up your alley, even though it's for an EV.

Electric car shock: Ontario man told new battery would cost more than $50,000
“The first one I had was very reliable,” said Sooch, so he didn’t hesitate to trade up.

He bought a 2017 Ioniq made by Hyundai. Sooch was its second owner. The vehicle had already been driven 69,000 kilometres but the warranty covering the electric charging system and battery was good for 160,000 kilometres..

The quoted cost, including the battery, installation and taxes came to more than $50,000.

The battery failure happened at 172,345 kilometres. The 160,000-kilometre warranty had recently run out.

“I felt like I got kicked in the privates,” Sooch said in an interview. He said he had two choices: pay to repair the vehicle or scrap it.

Sooch chose the latter because the cost of repairs exceeded the value of the vehicle.​
The reply from Hyundai's PR division (!!) was typical boilerplate BS. (IMHO, the CEO of Hyundai Canada should have addressed this personally):
Jennifer McCarthy, Hyundai Canada’s national manager of public relations, said that “comprehensive diagnostic tests were not completed on the vehicle … (and the vehicle) … was scrapped by the customer before these diagnostic procedures could be completed, precluding a definitive assessment of the required service.”

She said the estimate provided to Sooch “was not representative of the likely actual cost in this case.”

McCarthy said the case “should have been escalated immediately for additional review.”

“We sincerely apologize to Mr. Sooch for these lapses in communication and service,” she said.

...the company is prepared to “resolve this situation by paying fair market value for his vehicle either in cash or towards a new Hyundai, as part of our commitment to our customers.”
This is likely atypical, but I jave read a few stories of sticker shock when replacing EV batteries. Cost should be lower for a hybrid, but it shows that you need to get "all the T's crossed and I's dotted" before signing, especially with relatively new technology like this.

Like you, I keep my vehicles for as long as possible. My 2012 Ranger could very well outlive my remaining driving life, although at only 71, I'll probably want to go hybrid when I feel I no longer need to schlep as much stuff.

I've read the article and am having trouble seeing who was incompetent or telling outright lies. As for who sends the message from Hyundai, it's the PR chief's job to deal with public relations, it's kind of in the title. This North American demand that the top man be involved at all times puzzles me greatly. It baffled me during the big BP leak in the Gulf, too.

Either:

1) The dealership did a half-baked job of the diagnostic and the PR lady is telling the truth.

2) The initial communications with Hyundai after the diagnosis were fouled up, just as the PR lady states.

3) The PR lady has been told to come up with some excuse so the company can avoid saying out loud "You had your 160,000 km, tough cheese".

Take your pick.
 
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