Yeah. "Obfuscations R Us" certainly put its oar in on that one!
Why would I want a hybrid car?
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Yeah, no need to apologize for anything except snarkieness and making the assumption that one size fits all.
We're all real happy for your kids. But that doesn't mean that what works for them works for all (or even MOST) of us...
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Well, how about listening to JD Power?
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The finding that made me laugh was this one - "Interestingly, satisfaction is higher among EV truck owners who have used their vehicle for towing (779) than among owners who have not towed (753). Satisfaction with driving range is higher among owners who have towed (635) than among those who have not towed (617), and satisfaction with accuracy of stated range also is higher (707 vs. 680, respectively)."
I always value the opinions of those who have 'done' over those who just opine.
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Those EV’s just keep going up in flames.
Golf cart crashes and fires rampant across Florida due to unruly people
Golf cart crashes and fires rampant across Florida due to unruly people
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Whereas Lead Acid Batteries don’t spontaneously combust either! One of my neighbors had a early model Dodge Caravan that spontaneously combusted just sitting in the driveway! Two years later, this time having one of the Plymouth models of the same type also spontaneously combusted sitting at the curb in front of his house! Batteries combust for whatever reason, whether their Lithium-Ion or far older Lead-Acid batteries…
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Ford Pinto fuel tank fires killed about 32 people, We all know what became of the Pinto.
Tesla car fires have killed about 80 people, yet Teslas are still shoved down our throats. I’ve heard the overall build quality is ****.
I guess if you pay off the right people, you get whatever you want, including favorable JD Power reports.
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As the OP here, I haven’t heard any significant negative feedback on hybrids, and plenty of favorable feedback (in the wider world beyond this thread). My gut feel is a Toyota hybrid will be a long-lasting and reliable vehicle.
My daughter and her less-than-brilliant boyfriend just got electric bicycles for themselves (his doing). I will warn them once not to have them inside the house. After that, they are on their own when the house burns down.
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I'm on my 2nd Prius (a 2006 and a 2016), The only problems I've had was needing to replace the little battery, tires and wiper blades on the 2006 (close to 100K) and so far on the 2016 (~55,000 miles) wiper blades, tires, one of the "low tire" sensors and the passenger seat belt currently thinks someone is sitting there when it's empty. (Just clicking the belt in solves that.)
No matter which way anyone goes with vehicles, without fossil fuels They go nowhere!
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I don't think anyone is "forcing" Teslas (specifically)on us; it just seems that those with fat enough wallets buy them. In my little city of about 40,000 there seem to be a lot of them. I recently counted 5 on a routine shopping trip of about 7 miles round-trip. But "persuaded go EV", yes.
So really just fuel-agnostic routine maintenance aside from the battery on the 2006. What was the cost of the battery for that one?deadin said:
I see quite a few Priuses (Prii?) around here. They or a Subaru would likely be candidates when I eventually replace my 2011 Ford Ranger, although by that time there may be other alternatives as battery technology improves.
But I'd better do it before 2035 as our uber-progressive Federal gov't. has decided that new vehicle sales will have to be non-fossil powered by then. (If THEY are still around in 2035, that is. And even of they are, I doubt that will fly quite as smoothly as they hope.)
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At my stage of life, it is unlikely that I will replace the two older ICE vehicles I now own (neither of which is driven more than about 5K/year), but if I am ever in the market for another vehicle, I would at least consider buying a hybrid, never an EV (except I do own a golf cart).
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As I remember it was in the line of a regular lead/acid battery.-- $70 to 80.
The only PITA was it was mounted in the trunk and was hard to get at....
(The 2016 has it under the hood where it belongs)
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I’m not going to wade through all of this boomer harrumphing (I’m a boomer). My favorite car was a 2010 Prius. Our kids were in 3 different states and gas was 4 bucks a gallon. That little 50 mpg bugger let us visit them when we wanted. It was cruelly murdered by a spring hailstorm in 2016. I replaced it with something else, but I still miss it.
Our 2013 Toyota Avalon has a little over 102K so we’re in the market, but not for an EV or Hybrid. I’m in my late 70s and this will likely be our last car so I’ll be checking out the newer Toyotas soon. I hate the buying process and am no longer up to an hours long marathon runaround. A retired police buddy loves to haggle, offered to go with me so I may take him up on that.
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As regards EV's, the WaPo has just reprinted an article from last April, which I've gifted here. (Annoyingly graphics-intensive but thorough.)
Similar complexities exist with heat pumps. Yes, they work, but the power requirements for them, due largely to the compressor, plus the need to defrost when working at very low temps indicates that they're still a "new" technology in need of a lot of development before they can be the universal panacea some would have us believe.
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The underbelly of electric vehicles
What goes into making EVs, where it comes from and at what human cost
It brings up the disturbing dark side of all this "earth-saving" technology, plus this inconvenient little problem:The underbelly of electric vehicles
What goes into making EVs, where it comes from and at what human cost
China’s grip on the supply chain
...Taking the minerals out of the ground is only the first step. The ore is almost never pure and needs to be refined, or processed, to become the minerals that go into batteries.
When it comes to processing, there is one major player: China, which handles more than half of the minerals critical to EV batteries..
We may "need to save the planet" but it's not as easy or simple as the fanatics would lead us to believe. ...Taking the minerals out of the ground is only the first step. The ore is almost never pure and needs to be refined, or processed, to become the minerals that go into batteries.
When it comes to processing, there is one major player: China, which handles more than half of the minerals critical to EV batteries..
Similar complexities exist with heat pumps. Yes, they work, but the power requirements for them, due largely to the compressor, plus the need to defrost when working at very low temps indicates that they're still a "new" technology in need of a lot of development before they can be the universal panacea some would have us believe.
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