NYPD Off-Duty Question

[kbm6893]

Bottomline...There were NEVER any 10 round mags issued for patrol. The STREET! The only exception were the Ruger test guns.

OK. Just seems odd that the job would pander to the cop bashers and give new officers 10 round mags, while allowing officers who carried test guns to have 15 round mags, and ONLY if those officers had a S&W or a Glock, while officers with Rugers had 10 round mags. i also remember the big deal the media made when the 15 round mags were authorized just before we graduated. Seems kind of dumb, but then, when was the job ever sensible. I recall scott Gadell being murdered while he was fumbling to reload his revolver one round at a time because the job didn't want speedloaders given to officers. So I just find it strange that the job that didn't want speedloaders, was one of the last city PD's to phase out revolvers, and insisted that new officers only have 10 round mags, even going so far as to mark the base plates with "NY10" so they could be easily inspected at roll call, would allow some officers to have 15 round mags.

Just seems odd. Don't doubt your posts. Just seems odd to me.

 

[ultra45]

OK. Just seems odd that the job would pander to the cop bashers and give new officers 10 round mags, while allowing officers who carried test guns to have 15 round mags, and ONLY if those officers had a S&W or a Glock, while officers with Rugers had 10 round mags. i also remember the big deal the media made when the 15 round mags were authorized just before we graduated. Seems kind of dumb, but then, when was the job ever sensible. I recall scott Gadell being murdered while he was fumbling to reload his revolver one round at a time because the job didn't want speedloaders given to officers. So I just find it strange that the job that didn't want speedloaders, was one of the last city PD's to phase out revolvers, and insisted that new officers only have 10 round mags, even going so far as to mark the base plates with "NY10" so they could be easily inspected at roll call, would allow some officers to have 15 round mags.

Just seems odd. Don't doubt your posts. Just seems odd to me.

I found it strange that the Ruger test guns came with 10 rounders. I was asked to test one, but declined after I saw the size of the thing. I carried speed loaders AND qualified with them years before the Gadell shooting. I and others who had em never got our balls busted on patrol or at the range. I switched after my 2nd day in NSU.

 

[Sonny Crocket]

I found it strange that the Ruger test guns came with 10 rounders. I was asked to test one, but declined after I saw the size of the thing. I carried speed loaders AND qualified with them years before the Gadell shooting. I and others who had em never got our balls busted on patrol or at the range. I switched after my 2nd day in NSU.

Ultra45,

Please correct me if I'm wrong. But I thought I read that speedloaders were allowed years before that incident (like you stated), but you still had to have the drop pouches on your belt also. Is that correct?

 

[kbm6893]

Ultra45,

Please correct me if I'm wrong. But I thought I read that speedloaders were allowed years before that incident (like you stated), but you still had to have the drop pouches on your belt also. Is that correct?

Speedloaders weren't authorized until after Gadell was killed. Some guys ignored the rule and carried them anyway. Good bosses wouldn't pick on guys who had them, but there was always the scumbag boss who would (not speaking from experience. Family members on the job back then told me). The unions went ballistic after Gadell was killed. He was hiding behind a dumpster trying to reload his revolver after already firing 6 rounds. Imagine his shaking hands dropping rounds while the lowlife he was shooting at walked up to him and shot him point blank in the head.

If the job allowed cops to carry Glocks and S&W's with 15 round mags, why would ANY cop take a Ruger with only 10? Just another stupid thing the NYPD did.

 

[Barsch]

Rest in peace Scott...

- MOS 882xxx

 

[perpster]

We (my command) were strictly prohibited from carrying speedloaders prior to Scott Gadell. After Scott's LODD they became authorized. IIRC the unions wanted semi-autos to be authorized but the city would only yield on the speedloaders.

 

[MTS Cop]

This thread is awesome. I love hearing from guys who have a tax number that starts with an 8.

Can someone clarify the story behind the Rugers? Were they issued by the range on a trial/field testing basis? I remember seeing a picture of one in a display case at the Academy and thinking "What the f***?". I was in the Academy in July 2006, I'm a 941xxx rookie loser.

 

[perpster]

This thread is awesome. I love hearing from guys who have a tax number that starts with an 8.

I was in the Academy in July 2006, I'm a 941xxx rookie loser.

I'll take mine with milk, no sugar. Thanks kid.

 

[ultra45]

Speedloaders weren't authorized until after Gadell was killed. Some guys ignored the rule and carried them anyway. Good bosses wouldn't pick on guys who had them, but there was always the scumbag boss who would (not speaking from experience. Family members on the job back then told me). The unions went ballistic after Gadell was killed. He was hiding behind a dumpster trying to reload his revolver after already firing 6 rounds. Imagine his shaking hands dropping rounds while the lowlife he was shooting at walked up to him and shot him point blank in the head.

If the job allowed cops to carry Glocks and S&W's with 15 round mags, why would ANY cop take a Ruger with only 10? Just another stupid thing the NYPD did.

I had a friend that had the Ruger test gun P85 or 95, anyway he kept the gun for some time and eventually was given a hi-cap mags for it. The last time I saw him he was off patrol and had a Glock.

 

[ultra45]

This thread is awesome. I love hearing from guys who have a tax number that starts with an 8.

Can someone clarify the story behind the Rugers? Were they issued by the range on a trial/field testing basis? I remember seeing a picture of one in a display case at the Academy and thinking "What the f***?". I was in the Academy in July 2006, I'm a 941xxx rookie loser.

Going back to the days of revolvers, Smith, Colt and Dan Wesson...the city refused to put all its eggs in one basket. We have always been a 3 gun department. The ruger was pretty good, but it was a boat anchor. The 5946 is a heavy pistol, but trim, not so with the Rugers. When Sig entered their gun, even with its initial problems, it ran rings around the Ruger and was much slimmer compared to the Ruger.

 

[Barsch]

Any good boss let you have speedloaders...some even told you to get them...as long as you didn't put them on your belt. No prob in cooler weather, they fit easily in pocket of jacket. Personally, when in the bag I always carried my Chief as well.

Still have my S&W mod. 10 and Chief 36...anyone remember .38 158 grain semi-wadcutters? Yup, that was our approved ammo for a while.

MOS 882xxx

 

[Sonny Crocket]

You older guys will appreciate this I think. Pat Rogers is a nationally know trainer on the AR platform but at one time he was in the bag in NY.
10-8 Forums: My Service Revolver- a retro look at Iron
There are pics of his 10-6 on the first page and his 36 on page 3.

 

[CTSP-0960]

Wow..........Some good discussion here!

So the reader's digest without getting into models, etc....?

Pre Mid 1993- Revolver On and Off-Duty

1993-1998-Auto On-Duty and Revolver Off-Duty

1998-Present-Auto on and off-duty.

Of course anyone from the revolver era can transition to auto or transition to Auto for on duty but keep Revolver off-duty, etc?

 

[CTSP-0960]

Ultra45.....

I was always fascinated by the various "eras" in NYPD history when it comes to weaponry and the "grandfather" clause that the NYPD offten uses when transitioning to newer equipment.

As a fun side note to firearms does the following sound about right with NYPD impact weapons/batons:?

Pre 1988- Straight Wood Nighstick

1988-2000- PR-24 Baton (Side Handle Baton)

2000-Present- Straight Plastic Nightstick or Expandable Straight Baton (ASP)

Rubber Billet (Short Day Billy)- Authorized through all "eras" through present time for carry on the day tour only instead of the full size stick.

Like firearms, you are "grandfathered" to carry what you were hired with unless you voluntarily transition. Sound about right?

 

[S. Kelly]

I believe that 4 inch Model 10-6 is quite an impact weapon.

 

[ultra45]

Ultra45.....

I was always fascinated by the various "eras" in NYPD history when it comes to weaponry and the "grandfather" clause that the NYPD offten uses when transitioning to newer equipment.

As a fun side note to firearms does the following sound about right with NYPD impact weapons/batons:?

Pre 1988- Straight Wood Nighstick

1988-2000- PR-24 Baton (Side Handle Baton)

2000-Present- Straight Plastic Nightstick or Expandable Straight Baton (ASP)

Rubber Billet (Short Day Billy)- Authorized through all "eras" through present time for carry on the day tour only instead of the full size stick.

Like firearms, you are "grandfathered" to carry what you were hired with unless you voluntarily transition. Sound about right?

I believe you have the dates & models of batons correct. I'd check with one of the newer officers regarding the rubber billy (day stick), as I'm not sure if its still allowed. Most have transitioned to the ASP's. The dates you speak of are for PATROL. The ASP type batons were carried as early as 1991. Again, one of the departments test programs had, I think OCCB and maybe warrants authorized to carry them. I got trained in '91 or '92 (special detail) and was issued mine, although as a Detective never carried it.

 

[Lex_Ordo]

I always liked the Day Billy! When struck, it would leave the seal of the City on the Striked, giving it the Proof Mark it requuired!
LOL

 

[CTSP-0960]

LOL...........Lex, where was the city seal. Molded right in the rubber?

 

[Lex_Ordo]

LOL...........Lex, where was the city seal. Molded right in the rubber?

Yep! What a concept.

 

[S. Kelly]

I have to get one of those day billys for the NYPD collection-anyone here have one lying around?