Gun ban Bill coming

[Joewisc]

"One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle for independence." ~ American historian Charles A. Beard (1874-1948)

 

[Jetpilot007]

like a lawyer type of detestable or a legislative type of detestable?

Like the gentleman stated, YOUR A TROLL! Now get out!

 

[Jetpilot007]

so I guess you do not believe the constitution to be an ad hoc document (subject to change iudnk) but something concrete and not open to interpretation.

Go take a course on the US Constitution at Hillsdale College. It's free and will enlighten you. I am sure you will like the "free" part. Show your colleagues in Cuba.

 

[ladder13]

I don't have any guns, I sold them all to Caje.

He can afford em' now since all his kids tuition has been paid.

 

[James&theGiant1911]

No it's is not subject to change, otherwise it would called the List of Really Good Suggestions that do not mean jack. Interpretation yes, by SCOTUS etc, as long as a strict interpretation is applied. The only people I know who think it's fluid are Traitors, Communists and Moonbats.

It's people like you who open the door to evil and oppression.

ok that is what I was looking for, Glad none of you all know the law, its purpose, and the legislative branches of its government. How the consitution works and what its intended purposes are. You took oaths to obey those laws but do not want to be a part of it when change happens or is necessary. Lawyers and legislative branches sole duty is to change laws and write legislation as they become important and necessary for them to do so. Any law school in this nation will teach Constitutional law as part of its curriculum. The best Presidents of this country have been constitutional lawyers; some come some go, but if you are supporters of and love this country then you must obey its rules and regulations.

It can suck and I am glad I do not own one of the questioned weapons or I would be sweating as much as you all are.

 

[Jetpilot007]

He can afford em' now since all his kids tuition has been paid.

Damn, I like you Ladder! Bravo!

 

[Jetpilot007]

ok that is what I was looking for, Glad none of you all know the law, its purpose, and the legislative branches of its government. How the consitution works and what its intended purposes are. You took oaths to obey those laws but do not want to be a part of it when change happens or is necessary. Lawyers and legislative branches sole duty is to change laws and write legislation as they become important and necessary for them to do so. Any law school in this nation will teach Constitutional law as part of its curriculum. The best Presidents of this country have been constitutional lawyers; some come some go, but if you are supporters of and love this country then you must obey its rules and regulations.

It can suck and I am glad I do not own one of the questioned weapons or I would be sweating as much as you all are.

Your so misinformed and illiterate. Barry is (alleged) to bea constitutional scholar. What does that mean? Nothing. PUTZ

 

[ladder13]

The forefathers who wrote the right to bear arms never had access to those type of weapons and can not nor could not envision what the affects of them are. I do not own nor want to own a M16 based weapon.

They WERE smart enough not to write "to keep and bear muskets" weren't they?

 

[Jetpilot007]

ok that is what I was looking for, Glad none of you all know the law, its purpose, and the legislative branches of its government. How the consitution works and what its intended purposes are. You took oaths to obey those laws but do not want to be a part of it when change happens or is necessary. Lawyers and legislative branches sole duty is to change laws and write legislation as they become important and necessary for them to do so. Any law school in this nation will teach Constitutional law as part of its curriculum. The best Presidents of this country have been constitutional lawyers; some come some go, but if you are supporters of and love this country then you must obey its rules and regulations.

It can suck and I am glad I do not own one of the questioned weapons or I would be sweating as much as you all are.

Your such a light weight worthy of nothing except a government check courtesy of your fellow citizens.

 

[Jetpilot007]

They WERE smart enough not to write "to keep and bear muskets" weren't they?

Excellent point!

 

[Sebago Son]

It can suck and I am glad I do not own one of the questioned weapons or I would be sweating as much as you all are.

Does this mean I don't get my cannon?

 

[StatesRightist]

ok that is what I was looking for, Glad none of you all know the law, its purpose, and the legislative branches of its government. How the consitution works and what its intended purposes are. You took oaths to obey those laws but do not want to be a part of it when change happens or is necessary. Lawyers and legislative branches sole duty is to change laws and write legislation as they become important and necessary for them to do so. Any law school in this nation will teach Constitutional law as part of its curriculum. The best Presidents of this country have been constitutional lawyers; some come some go, but if you are supporters of and love this country then you must obey its rules and regulations.

It can suck and I am glad I do not own one of the questioned weapons or I would be sweating as much as you all are.

For all of your feigned intelligence, you really are a vapid twit, on top of being a troll.

Guess what happens when these legislators and "lawyers" attempt to make changes outside the Constitution, they get struck down as Unconstitutional. Their job is to make laws which reflect the values of the Constitution, not that attempt to alter it short of an Amendment to it.

Your pseudo-intellectual drivel is neither appreciated or accurate.

 

[Buffalohunter60]

they will grandfather you in, and I do not share your all views of AK/ ARs as being "normal" guns. Personally I blame the kids mother for not having her firearms securely locked up in a safe where her mental ill son could not have access to them. Everyone here knows what assault rifles are capable of and IMO they give the whole gun industry a bad name and when things like this happen loss of life is severe.

If it makes you feel safer to have one of them so be it but there was a reason they were banned originally under Clinton and another reason why they will bring back another assault weapon ban in the near future. I am not interested in a debate over what a gun is and what an assault rifle is. The forefathers who wrote the right to bear arms never had access to those type of weapons and can not nor could not envision what the affects of them are. I do not own nor want to own a M16 based weapon.


Maybe they should or could give them class 3 status and people only meeting a higher level of clearance could possess one? Something IMO needs to be done but it should not make criminals out of legal gun owners and their rights under the constitution. If that makes me an anti-gunner to you all then I guess it does but to me assault weapons meet a different level of compliance than say my Winchester .38 Magnum.

I understand what you are saying, I do not think it would make any difference in this case....and an attack on 6-7 year old children would have turned out bad even if he used a club. I own AR's and know many others that do...and they are law abiding responsible people that are part of what makes this country strong. It always comes to mind what germany did to the Jews in WW2 and I like to believe that will never happen here....one reason it will never happen , is we have armed citizens that are never going to be slaughtered like the Jews were. I believe in Government by the people...but I also do not have a lot of trust in Politicions...one does not have to look very far to see why.
If we give up our AR's...whats next.....our hand guns, then maybe our rifles and may as well go after the shot guns too. Then we are nothing but sheep...no need to listen to the people, they are no threat to a heavily armed government. We need to take a hard look at history to see what can happen. Its not about the weapons...its about our freedom. Armed citizens are voters and listened to.....unarmed citizens are subjects. No one wants to hear that 2 million criminal actions a year are stopped by armed citizens. It is sickening what happened at that school....a gun free zone did not protect them...and our leadership does not depend on gun free zones to protect them...so why do we expect gun free zones to protect our children...same with drug free zones...it doesnt work.

 

[Jetpilot007]

For all of your feigned intelligence, you really are a vapid twit, on top of being a troll.

Guess what happens when these legislators and "lawyers" attempt to make changes outside the Constitution, they get struck down as Unconstitutional. Their job is to make laws which reflect the values of the Constitution, not that attempt to alter it short of an Amendment to it.

Your pseudo-intellectual drivel is neither appreciated or accurate.

Bravo Bravo!

 

[StatesRightist]

You guys keep up the good work, I'm disgusted with Troll Boy and am calling it a night.

 

[jlrhiner]

Just on the off chance you are seriously inquiring, I'll try.

I own a Bushmaster M-Forgery because it is the closest to what I had in the service. I own an M1, because my father carried one in the South Pacific. I enjoy shooting them on the range, and occasionally hunt with them. (The M-forgery is devastating on coyotes)

If you take the time, study some of the other writings of our founding fathers. Read their diaries, memoirs and correspondence. They wanted their descendants to be able to throw off the yoke of suppression by a tyrannical government. They were EXACTLY talking about the most modern weapons available. Citizens can be trusted. Subjects can't. They FEARED a standing army. Hence the phrase "A well regulated militia". STRICTLY controlled. There's a comma, then "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." they knew the only way our country could be truly free, was for it's citizens to be armed.

I don't know if I helped you understand how I feel. I support the Second Amendment. I equally support the others, also.

I am a Citizen.

 

[Jetpilot007]

I understand what you are saying, I do not think it would make any difference in this case....and an attack on 6-7 year old children would have turned out bad even if he used a club. I own AR's and know many others that do...and they are law abiding responsible people that are part of what makes this country strong. It always comes to mind what germany did to the Jews in WW2 and I like to believe that will never happen here....one reason it will never happen , is we have armed citizens that are never going to be slaughtered like the Jews were. I believe in Government by the people...but I also do not have a lot of trust in Politicions...one does not have to look very far to see why.
If we give up our AR's...whats next.....our hand guns, then maybe our rifles and may as well go after the shot guns too. Then we are nothing but sheep...no need to listen to the people, they are no threat to a heavily armed government. We need to take a hard look at history to see what can happen. Its not about the weapons...its about our freedom. Armed citizens are voters and listened to.....unarmed citizens are subjects. No one wants to hear that 2 million criminal actions a year are stopped by armed citizens. It is sickening what happened at that school....a gun free zone did not protect them...and our leadership does not depend on gun free zones to protect them...so why do we expect gun free zones to protect our children...same with drug free zones...it doesnt work.

Absolutely right.

 

[2hawk]

Dear James....

this is just wrong, maybe you need to look around your surroundings and figure out that the middle red states do not support the east and west coast blue states. I am still just wanting to know the main desire and fascination with them, why do you own one? answer the question, move on and I will not post into this thread any longer.

I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but just a couple of points. The Bill of Rights does not grant us anything, it only affirms the rights inherent to all men. So, no, changing the Constitution is not going to change that. Incidentally, as far as what the Founding Fathers thought was ok- any private citizen could own artillery, even warships, if their pocketbook allowed it. I don't think the Founders would have any problem at all with any weapons of today in the hands of citizens. They knew the history of tyranny and mistrusted any government that had a standing army, and quite deliberately wrote the 2A as the peoples' defense against a tyrannical government. You really should brush up on your civics.

Next, here's a response I wrote (on another site) to a question similar to yours, which goes into the more practical reasons:

"If my self defense, or defense of my family or community comes down to what means I possess, then I want the best equipment possible. I think even most of my liberal acquaintances would agree to wanting the most effective means available, if it came down to having to rely upon their own resources. And of course, if criminals and psychopaths can gain access to so called "assault weapons." why shouldn't I have the right to at least have parity with my attacker? Pretty simple, really."

So, there you have it. You're welcome.

 

[James&theGiant1911]

Your such a light weight worthy of nothing except a government check courtesy of your fellow citizens.

you are at least consistent, keep the insults coming they are cute.

 

[Jetpilot007]

ok that is what I was looking for, Glad none of you all know the law, its purpose, and the legislative branches of its government. How the consitution works and what its intended purposes are. You took oaths to obey those laws but do not want to be a part of it when change happens or is necessary. Lawyers and legislative branches sole duty is to change laws and write legislation as they become important and necessary for them to do so. Any law school in this nation will teach Constitutional law as part of its curriculum. The best Presidents of this country have been constitutional lawyers; some come some go, but if you are supporters of and love this country then you must obey its rules and regulations.

It can suck and I am glad I do not own one of the questioned weapons or I would be sweating as much as you all are.

Mr. Troll, honestly this forum is reserved for SMART, INTELLIGENT, LAW ABIDING, CONSTITUTIONALIST, WELL INFORMED PATRIOTS.

DO US ALL A FAVOR AND SCRAM