labworm
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Love NFL football, love it.I wish they brought back Stick Um.
Falcons/Bucs coming up in a hour, getting ready with all my goodies.
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cass
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There's not a player alive that's worth anywhere close to what they're making. Player's unions and agents have ruined the "sport", and it all could go away tomorrow, and I wouldn't care, or notice.
While I don't think players are worth what the get paid. I would as soon see them receive the money than let the owners keep it. It is a real example of free enterprise and are charging what the market will bear. They didn't need a bail out from the government. Money makers for the local economies to.
As far as the tax free thing that is just the governing body. That body probably takes in less than many churches. Ever check out some churches and where the Bishops and Cardinals live? Check out the pay for the head of the Red Cross (over a million annual), and some other "charities"
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NFL players and their wives gotta eat too.
chaparrito
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I don't think football should be banned. I just think in it's modern form it's a violent, boring, dopey sport and many of it's players are rich sociopaths. Not only that, it has a silly name. It has precious little to do with FEET. YMMV
LVSteve
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That's because it became a business, not a sport. At the current pace professional American football will become just like boxing, another way to spell "racket".
bunkshaner
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Now I got to just laugh at the responses. I'm just gonna unclick the little gold star so I don't get anymore notices when anyone else complains about the NFL. Everyone's surely entitled to their own opinions and thoughts but again if it was a gun related deal and people where whining about it and wanting it to be banned or closed up they would b outraged saying "you can't judge the whole because of few bad apples" most of the comments seem to be more out of jealousy or resentment ( example because they were picked last in kick ball and hate all sports or athletes because if it or because they don't make millions)...now don't bash me like some have the NFL...I'm entitled to my thoughts, opinions and feelings as well. Also, Its America! A capitalist society and they can make money and charge and or pay their employees whatever they want. Everyone no matter the subject act like they have blinders on and get so closed minded about a subject it's just nuts.
NFL players and their wives gotta eat too.
Well, she probably makes about as much as he does as one of the top models in the world. Exact same thing goes for movie stars, etc. But, I am glad they spend their money on mansions, jets, cars, boats lavish weddings. Keeps the money rolling and employees people. Much better than some CEO that that gets 50 million a year in stock options, keeps it, all the while his employees get heath insurance premium increases.
Whoa! Hold on there! Many of you guys are just looking at the negative side of the NFL...Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, Jonathan Dwyer, ad infinitum.
Let's look on the positive side. You know, if it wasn't for the NFL and all the illegitimate children some of these guys have sired, our country would be experiencing negative population growth like China, India, or other such countries.
Besides, some of these fellows are helping to keep the economy going because of all the money they've had to shell out for attorney fees, criminal lawsuits, civil suits, paternity suits, child support, and alimony.
By comparison, you and I probably aren't contributing our fair share.
Let's look on the positive side. You know, if it wasn't for the NFL and all the illegitimate children some of these guys have sired, our country would be experiencing negative population growth like China, India, or other such countries.
Besides, some of these fellows are helping to keep the economy going because of all the money they've had to shell out for attorney fees, criminal lawsuits, civil suits, paternity suits, child support, and alimony.
By comparison, you and I probably aren't contributing our fair share.
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As a long time Raiders fan- my team could probably really benefit from taking a year off.
It is going to be another long season for those guys. If they win one game I will be amazed. I think their coach and his staff are going to be looking for another job before the end of season if things do not turn around.
It is going to be another long season for those guys. If they win one game I will be amazed. I think their coach and his staff are going to be looking for another job before the end of season if things do not turn around.To say nothing of the 100's of thousands of Americans who make a living thru the NFL. Parking lot attendants, food stands, nearby restaurants, memorabilia, supermarkets(tailgaters need food, and booze), sports agents, sports reporters, janitors, ticket takers, security people, real estate agents, diamond brokers, jewelry makers, and on and on.NFL players and their wives gotta eat too.
Well, she probably makes about as much as he does as one of the top models in the world. Exact same thing goes for movie stars, etc. But, I am glad they spend their money on mansions, jets, cars, boats lavish weddings. Keeps the money rolling and employees people. Much better than some CEO that that gets 50 million a year in stock options, keeps it, all the while his employees get heath insurance premium increases.
Also untold Chinese and Taiwanese making clothing.
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labworm
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To say nothing of the 100's of thousands of Americans who make a living thru the NFL. Parking lot attendants, food stands, nearby restaurants, memorabilia, supermarkets(tailgaters need food, and booze), sports agents, sports reporters, janitors, ticket takers, security people, real estate agents, diamond brokers, jewelry makers, and on and on.
Also untold Chinese and Taiwanese making clothing.
Charities?
Do a little research and see what the majority in the NFL do daily for others.
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I think it's outrageous for ANY athlete in any sport to make these insane salaries. It makes it impossible for a normal person to afford a decent seat at any game. If I were to go to a sporting event such as football I'd be sitting so far away from the field that I might be better off watching it in my living room. Of course, if I want the experience of sitting with a bunch of drunk screaming sports fans maybe I should go to the games.
The only sport I really enjoy is Hockey. Pretty much non-stop action. That is also a sport where ticket prices have sky rocketed.
I also wonder why the justice system does seem to be doing nothing with regard to some of the things these players are doing.
The only sport I really enjoy is Hockey. Pretty much non-stop action. That is also a sport where ticket prices have sky rocketed.
I also wonder why the justice system does seem to be doing nothing with regard to some of the things these players are doing.
ChuckS1
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NFL players and their wives gotta eat too.
Well, she probably makes about as much as he does as one of the top models in the world. Exact same thing goes for movie stars, etc. But, I am glad they spend their money on mansions, jets, cars, boats lavish weddings. Keeps the money rolling and employees people. Much better than some CEO that that gets 50 million a year in stock options, keeps it, all the while his employees get heath insurance premium increases.
One of the grown-up facts of life is you don't paid what you're worth, you get paid what you negotiate. CEO pay has nothing to do with employee benefits, other than his/her own. Unless ,of course, you believe that the reason health insurance goes up is because the CEO is getting paid too much.
Here's the double standard:
Hope Solo, women's US National Team soccer goalie and, arguably, one of the faces of US women's soccer was arrested and charged with two counts of domestic violence earlier this summer.
So, where's the outrage? Where are the women's groups protesting?
The silence is deafening.
Hope Solo, women's US National Team soccer goalie and, arguably, one of the faces of US women's soccer was arrested and charged with two counts of domestic violence earlier this summer.
So, where's the outrage? Where are the women's groups protesting?
The silence is deafening.
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A Federal judge has been arrested on seven misdemeanor counts of domestic violence, he's being pressured to resign. Don't hold your breath.
ChuckS1
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And she still has her multimillion dollar Nike endorsement deal, even though what she was charged with is every bit as bad as what Ray Rice did. The truth is that there's a huge double standard regarding domestic violence that basically assumes every woman is a victim, regardless of the circumstances. Unless, of course, the perp is a woman who commits domestic violence and therefore, somehow, is excused from any accountability because of her gender.
And so far, as least as far as I know, none of the usual suspects are complaining that only black players are being singled out by the NFL for punishment. When does the shoe (or cleat, I guess) drop?
Shooting Padre
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I do not see anyone in the NFL on a higher plane than anyone here in the forums. If you break the law, let the law deal with it. As far as the NFL goes, lets see how well some of these "stars" play football from jail.
This is not an NFL problem. It's a cultural problem with a particular group of NFL players. They mostly grew up in families that had poor or no male role models. Many of them were poor as kids and if not for their athletic ability, wouldn't be making more than minimum wage.
We don't seem to see much of this behavior among players who grew up in traditional families with strong male role models.
The NFL (and other major league sports) are aware of all of this and offer all sorts of social services to new players. I believe that the NFL even requires some of this for new players.
The new found wealth allows these kids, which is what most of them are, to engage in irresponsible life styles. That includes fathering children which they are not particularly interested in nor suited to raise.
Nor are many of them particularly fiscally responsible. More than one pro athlete that made millions ended up broke because they never saved or invested. They just spent like the proverbial drunken sailors and had plenty of help from hangers on that wouldn't even talk to them if they weren't famous and wealthy.
None of which excuse any of this, but it's certainly not a reason to dismantle a large business enterprise and throw a large number of responsible people into poverty. Which is what would happen to a good number of players and their families if what the OP suggested were to happen.
Nor do I necessarily think that the players involved should be banned for life. If convicted, they should serve whatever punishment is meted out and then be allowed to resume their lives.
The suspensions and banning being handed out by the NFL are a panic reaction to the press attention. Most of which is coming from people who never watch the NFL or have much interest in it other than trying to wring concessions and money out of the league.
Is domestic violence wrong? Of course. Should Ray Rice have been sent to prison for some period of time? Yes. Should he be forever more banned from making money in the only way he is capable of doing so? I don't think so and I think if you asked his wife, she'd agree with me. Do you think she'd be better off if she were married to Ray Rice and he was working at Walmart? Keep in mind that she married him after the assault and battery in the elevator.
The dynamic is slightly different with Adrian Peterson. He should not be allowed unsupervised visits with any of his children. That's pretty clear, but does anyone think that any of them will be better off he can't play football after this case is settled one way or the other?
These are very emotionally laden issues, but that doesn't mean that people should react with emotion and not with their brains.
Note that in a recent poll 85% of respondents said that this wouldn't change their viewing or opinion of the NFL as a league. Far more are concerned about the touch football like approach to penalties.
We don't seem to see much of this behavior among players who grew up in traditional families with strong male role models.
The NFL (and other major league sports) are aware of all of this and offer all sorts of social services to new players. I believe that the NFL even requires some of this for new players.
The new found wealth allows these kids, which is what most of them are, to engage in irresponsible life styles. That includes fathering children which they are not particularly interested in nor suited to raise.
Nor are many of them particularly fiscally responsible. More than one pro athlete that made millions ended up broke because they never saved or invested. They just spent like the proverbial drunken sailors and had plenty of help from hangers on that wouldn't even talk to them if they weren't famous and wealthy.
None of which excuse any of this, but it's certainly not a reason to dismantle a large business enterprise and throw a large number of responsible people into poverty. Which is what would happen to a good number of players and their families if what the OP suggested were to happen.
Nor do I necessarily think that the players involved should be banned for life. If convicted, they should serve whatever punishment is meted out and then be allowed to resume their lives.
The suspensions and banning being handed out by the NFL are a panic reaction to the press attention. Most of which is coming from people who never watch the NFL or have much interest in it other than trying to wring concessions and money out of the league.
Is domestic violence wrong? Of course. Should Ray Rice have been sent to prison for some period of time? Yes. Should he be forever more banned from making money in the only way he is capable of doing so? I don't think so and I think if you asked his wife, she'd agree with me. Do you think she'd be better off if she were married to Ray Rice and he was working at Walmart? Keep in mind that she married him after the assault and battery in the elevator.
The dynamic is slightly different with Adrian Peterson. He should not be allowed unsupervised visits with any of his children. That's pretty clear, but does anyone think that any of them will be better off he can't play football after this case is settled one way or the other?
These are very emotionally laden issues, but that doesn't mean that people should react with emotion and not with their brains.
Note that in a recent poll 85% of respondents said that this wouldn't change their viewing or opinion of the NFL as a league. Far more are concerned about the touch football like approach to penalties.
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