Am I The Only One Who Notices That People Really Don't Care Anymore?

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I’m not sure there’s enough here for its own thread, if it’s not feel free to lock it up.

Since about 2000 or so I’ve noticed that the culture in America has changed dramatically. People don’t seem to care about what’s right or wrong they just do what they want and if it inconveniences you so what?

I have some neighbors that live right across the street from our apartment complex, in the summer they work on cars in their garage; one night I caught one of them dumping a fender out on the street. He looked up, saw me threw the fender in my direction (I was across the street) and said “WTF are you gonna do about it?” and walked back in his house. They also like to play their music loud enough that you can hear it all up and down the street, again with no concern that the people around them may not want to hear it.

Another example, fire code demands that the hallway doors and the outside doors be closed in our apartments. In one of the buildings someone decided they wanted the fire doors and the out side doors open for ventilation. They opened the doors, management shut the doors and they ripped the automatic closers right off the door and propped them open again.

Long story short management never figured out who did it but the pissing contest went on to the point they were welding the closers back on the doors and they were still getting ripped off the door.

Final example a story I’ve told before I caught a lady trespassing on the property right next to the one I was guarding one day, normally not my business but her dog was running loose right up next to the fence to “my” property (violation of the leash law) so I said something about it (my job remember) and she want completely ballistic on me.

She was screaming at me, cussing me out, telling me to mind my own GD business (running trespassers off was exactly my business) and telling me she was going to walk her dog where ever the footballs she wanted to walk her dog and she kept doing all of that right up to the time I picked up my radio then she took off.

My point is that people don’t seem to recognize (or care) that there’s an expected standard of behavior and they most assuredly do not recognize the authority of some random person to tell them that their behavior isn’t acceptable.

For little things I don’t waste my time “correcting” the behavior of strangers because I don’t know how they’re going to react and it’s not completely out there for some random stranger to explode on you for getting in “their business” . As I’ve said before I have nothing to gain form involving myself in other people’s drama so I don’t
 
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Smoke. Why you tellin us. We dont care. Naw just kiddi g about us. Yes I see it to.

Each time an idiot wins a frivolous law suit or an le gets tired of running in jerks who are home before him and each time the law or an le is pushed further away it gets worse.

Remember robo cop 1 total apathy. We seem to be on that path.
 
They have always been with us, Smoke. I'll agree that with the electronically-induced loss of social interaction skills, it seems more obvious in recent years, but the "What the (expletive deleted) are you going to do about it?" jerks have always been around. Unfortunately you seem to meet more than your share of them.

Now, if the question is how concerned people are about each other, the only real differences I can see are that (a) they seem too busy and crowded to be neighborly, and (b) they are too busy on their damn iphones to notice what's going on with those around them.

It seems to me I recall a really old story about some people who saw a man lying by a road in really bad shape. Everyone passed by on the other side except one of the hated Samaritans...
 
My point is that people don’t seem to recognize (or care) that there’s an expected standard of behavior and they most assuredly do not recognize the authority of some random person to tell them that their behavior isn’t acceptable.

Read that back to yourself and think on it a bit.

Some random person has NO authority.

America is built on being the rowdy bunch of folks that do their own thing and do not listen to random people. Thus the move to frontier, rebelling, carrying guns, kicking the King out, etc. It is what we do and who we are. This is the cowboy mentality Europeans complain about. Hell, I live in a place that self bills as the cowboy state. Our new lottery has sixguns on the logo.

So no, real Americans don't like being told what to do. We make for rough company, and do not react well to any self appointed random someone telling us what to do.

We do not do well with arbitrarily imposed standards or authority of any sort. National identity really.

As for the rest, as a former slum lord, allow me to politely observe that it sounds like you live in the ghetto. The ghetto can be a fine and wonderous place if you learn to flow with its...unique....way of doing things. A veritable celebration of the unconquered human spirit...or something. But if it is not suited for you, or you for it, there are places...gated communities with HOAs for example...that thrive on arbitrary standards and random people having authority. They live for it.

Having experience with both sorts of places, I much prefer the ghetto or its country cousin of rural hillbilly living (where I can aspire to chicken in the yard and my own shootin car out back).
 
Yes..

I don't care, do something about it is more and more common. I've also noticed that there is a rash of people making 8 and not caring one iota about their jobs and just waiting for the relief to take over. It is strange nowadays when you find somebody that gives a rip.

Ex. There was a kid who was overdue for a release from a month in jail by several days and we and the lawyer called everybody in the county justice system and got stonewalled, put off, mislead, promised, I'm on my way thered, call you back latered and refused until FINALLY we contacted one lone clerk in another town that looked at the case and immediately realized something was wrong and told us, because by that time it was late in the day, how we could bail him out so he wouldn't have to spend another night there. We were at the scheduled bond hearing at 7 pm, which was delayed and when we finally got paid up with paper in hand it took until after 11 pm with me and the paralegal waiting in the parking lot watching people come out one after the other until we finally got our man.

That was a big example, but I've seen it everywhere. It's gotten worse and worse, FAST.
 
I can attest....

As for the rest, as a former slum lord, allow me to politely observe that it sounds like you live in the ghetto. The ghetto can be a fine and wonderous place if you learn to flow with its...unique....way of doing things. A veritable celebration of the unconquered human spirit...or something. But if it is not suited for you, or you for it, there are places...gated communities with HOAs for example...that thrive on arbitrary standards and random people having authority. They live for it.

Having experience with both sorts of places, I much prefer the ghetto or its country cousin of rural hillbilly living (where I can aspire to chicken in the yard and my own shootin car out back).

I can attest that you DON'T have to live in a slum or anything that could be construed by anyone as being anything like a slum to have neighbors from hell.
 
I actually live in a nice neighborhood and try to be friendly to my neighbors, moved here a little over a year ago... I'm pretty sure I'm younger than they are, I'll be 30 in June and they're 40s to 60s. They could care less. I wave or say hello... They might smile, but they would never be the one to initiate the stuff.

Guy across the street lets his dogs just run loose. The city has leash laws but I'm not the type that wants to just start a war with the neighbor... They poo in my back yard! So I knock on his front door and tell him in a polite manner that if I wanted dog poo in my yard that I'd own a dog. He laughs... I don't...

So, I totally agree here. People don't care. It's not even an age, generation, race, or gender kinda thing. More and more people just really don't seem to care anymore.
 
I can attest that you DON'T have to live in a slum or anything that could be construed by anyone as being anything like a slum to have neighbors from hell.

Give the man a Cookie,..... he's absolutely correct. People as a rule will never disappoint you if you expect the worst from them, sad as that is. My bride and I do our level best to avoid issues with neighbors whenever possible and that generally means we never do. But,..... there's always one in every crowd/area.
 
This is the stuff that manners and common courtesy (and law) evolved to minimize. At a stretch, Christian charity (or variations thereof).

Hobbes characterized man's original situation as a "warre of all against all".

Pretty rough way to go through life.
 
I believe many of us see this on a near-daily basis. Only recourse is to raise your children well - won't change the world, but they will be better equipped to recognize the remaining good souls, and know the difference between them and the others.

^Good advice^.

Follow the Golden Rule and do your best to help your community. I have coached youth athletics since 1976 and I make my kids say sir, tuck shirts in, and they don't talk back. I teach discipline, fair play, and that actions have consequences. I treat those kids (and adults), like I want to be treated. It's a small thing, I know, but I feel like I am doing something to better my fellow man.
 
When laws replace social norms and morays, rudeness abounds and people are no longer constrained by values from within, but by laws from without. Our society has been moving more and more into the legal abyss since the end of WWII, but exponentially so in the last couple of decades.

This is part and parcel of the change from a homogeneous society and culture to a multi-cultural heterogeneous society and it will continue to get worse and worse as the population continues to diversify. This is basic sociology 101 and should not come as a surprise to anyone.

The polar opposite are the very homogeneous societies like the Japanese, where rudeness is not tolerated. Laws are a very poor substitute for cultural norms and morays, but a legal based society is great for attorneys and jailers.

So look for more and more such behavior in the future as that is the destiny we have allowed our government to impose on us.
 
They have always been with us, Smoke. I'll agree that with the electronically-induced loss of social interaction skills, it seems more obvious in recent years, but the "What the (expletive deleted) are you going to do about it?" jerks have always been around. Unfortunately you seem to meet more than your share of them.

There’s a reason for that and it’s kind of the point of this thread.

This thread came for the gun show etiquette thread and I used to that guy who thought I had a God-given duty to “call people into line” and a lot of those times where I ran into people like that was a direct result of my insistence on doing so.

It took me a while but I finally realized that I wasn’t changing anything and that all that was really happening was these run ins I was having with people.

Our society has changed and it appears to me that the new social norm is that strangers don’t interact with each other and they don’t offer random advice or correction to each other. When a person does this they are the one stepping outside the norms of accepted behavior.

I think it’s a generational thing and that some older people who came up in a vastly different society where people did start conversations with people they didn’t know haven’t realized there’s been a paradigm shift so we’re seeing instances (like the gun show) where they react to their social mores and say something when they see something out of line and the younger person from a different culture within the same society reacts to their social mores and “calls the person making the correction( that wasn't theirs to make) into line” for “disrespecting” them.
 
Interesting posts here ,I hope more people post because I think it is important to think about how our country is evolving.
 
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