Striker Fire rather than Hammer Fire?

Striker or hammer fire. For real? Is this talk for real? Well for a save my back side and someone else's. Who in this world gives a shiatsu. These striker guns are made to the job and not cost a car payment. As of early this year, Smith and Wesson has shipped a million Shields since they started making 'em. So what is the beef? Smith has proved once again they kick butt when it comes to making and selling guns. Some gun companies have looked and learned how to make a handgun the way it should be and the way it should be made. Striker fire works hands down. Nuff said .

Tell us how you really feel :D


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It appears that member 99savage308 drives a much more expensive car than we do! :D

My last car payment cost me just under half a Shield per month. :p

If you buy an HK P7, it costs as much as a good mortgage payment.
 
But, how many of them have kaboomed?

I'm guessing less than the amount of 6rd 4513 mags out there for sale. :eek:

And much less than the amount of rails that fell off Sigs. :)

Now, the only question left is when Shields hit the 2 million mark? :confused:
 
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I think you are missing a lot. Springfield XD line, CZ duty line, some lines in Ruger, and Kahrs just to name some of them

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I love my Colt Gold Cup .45, some old S&W .357 revolvers, an old Browning .22, a Beretta 84 and a Sig P238. That being said, I carry a Shield 9mm that has an Apex sear and trigger block which gives it a great trigger and my M&P Pro 9mm that has an Apex FSS trigger kit installed in it is one of the most accurate guns I've ever owned. So while the new polymer guns may not have the same aesthetic appeal the old guns had, they can be just as useful (if not more so) than the old handguns. I'd be sick if one of my old guns got lost, stolen or damaged but a new one can be easilty replaced. And the triggers can be fantastic if you want them to be and they are the same pull weight everytime. Regards, Elliot45
 
Its nice that Apex gives the m&p series everything the factory didn't. :)
 
I won't own a striker fired handgun. Every one I've ever tried has had a terrible trigger that felt like plastic. I also like to see if a hangun is cocked. Not as obvious on a striker fired at a glance. Just my opinion from an old wood and steel guy.
 
There are plenty of other striker fired guns aside from S&W and Glock. The only company I can think of of the top of my head that does not offer a striker is CZ.

All 3rd gens are hammer fired. Some are DAO and some are SA/DA. Some of the DAO have a flush hammer so they may spear to be striker fired.

Advantages are that you get a consistent trigger each and every time. DA/SA is typically 10 lbs pull on double action and somewhere around 5 lbs in single action. Strikers are all about 5lbs.

I like both but I like striker better. All hammer fired guns feel differently and I don't care for the trigger pulls. Beretta and CZ seem to be heavier than S&W 3rd gen or Sig. There is no consistency, for me anyway. I can pick up 5 different CZ or Beretta and each will feel like it has a different trigger pull weight in double action. S&W also seem smoother in their DA pull. Where as striker fired guns all feel the same......with a few exceptions lately being the HK VP, Sig 320 and Walther PPQ.

A lot comes down to what you want your gun to do and how you view it. If you're into target shooting, feeling your gun, playing with it then striker fired is probably not for you. If you view it as a training and self defense tool then you look at it more practically and performance trumps feelings

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Gotta love Arik, a practical guy who takes all the emotional rah rah and BS out of the argument. :cool:
 
I love my Colt Gold Cup .45, some old S&W .357 revolvers, an old Browning .22, a Beretta 84 and a Sig P238. That being said, I carry a Shield 9mm that has an Apex sear and trigger block which gives it a great trigger and my M&P Pro 9mm that has an Apex FSS trigger kit installed in it is one of the most accurate guns I've ever owned. So while the new polymer guns may not have the same aesthetic appeal the old guns had, they can be just as useful (if not more so) than the old handguns. I'd be sick if one of my old guns got lost, stolen or damaged but a new one can be easily replaced. And the triggers can be fantastic if you want them to be and they are the same pull weight every time. Regards, Elliot45

Its nice that Apex gives the m&p series everything the factory didn't. :)

My problem is that I don't like paying the "Apex Tax" for every S&W M&P plastic wonder gun that I feel like picking up. :mad: I know I should but I'm a poor, stubborn old man who has never had to pay a "tax" on any of my all-metal handguns to get them to work right out of the box (which I suppose is why I keep buying them). :o

But Elliot is 100% right about one thing. :) I don't have to worry a hoot about my cheap, plastic wonder guns getting dropped, damaged, lost or stolen. :D They're disposable, after all. :D And so that's why I carry them and not my beloved 3rd Gens! :D
 
My problem is that I don't like paying the "Apex Tax" for every S&W M&P plastic wonder gun that I feel like picking up. :mad: I know I should but I'm a poor, stubborn old man who has never had to pay a "tax" on any of my all-metal handguns to get them to work right out of the box (which I suppose is why I keep buying them). :o

But Elliot is 100% right about one thing. :) I don't have to worry a hoot about my cheap, plastic wonder guns getting dropped, damaged, lost or stolen. :D They're disposable, after all. :D And so that's why I carry them and not my beloved 3rd Gens! :D

I wouldn't want to stand IFO you facing the muzzle, with either gun. :eek: Others might want to take that risk. ;)
 
For me, it's the trigger reset that I don't like on striker fired pistols. My 39-2 has a 1/8 inch reset. I haven't found a striker fired pistol with that short a reset. DA/SA pull is no problem for me. When at the range I only fire single action and if I have to defend myself with a quick first shot DA, then I can do it. I just don't like the long reset on the striker fired pistols.
 
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racemi, after installing Apex parts, the trigger reset is much shorter. Regards, Elliot45
 
I admit I know next to nothing about striker fired pistols. It's been said that the trigger pull is more consistent vs hammer fired.

All the guns I've ever used over the past 50+ years have been hammer fired. The absolute best, most consistent, flawless trigger in my opinion is, hands down, is a Model 52. I picked mine up in the late 80's as a gun I had been drooling over for many years. Paid $400 for it, a bargain even then. This trigger beats any other custom trigger I've ever tried.

You can tell me all you want about good, consistent triggers and try to convince me that I'm wrong. Pick up my 52 and try the trigger and, as they say, you'll break into your "happy dance".
 
The bore axis on striker fired guns is usually appreciably lower than that for hammer fired. The hand can be moved further up the grip resulting in less muzzle rise. This is a consequence of the design not the motivating factor.
 
For me, it's the trigger reset that I don't like on striker fired pistols. My 39-2 has a 1/8 inch reset. I haven't found a striker fired pistol with that short a reset.

Walther PPQ is close with 1/10" reset with a 4# trigger. It's very nice. It's what I should have bought instead of a full apex M&P a year ago.
 
DanHend, what do you mean by a "full apex M&P a year ago"? Does that mean you bought an M&P and had a full Apex FSS trigger kit installed? I know that I bought the M&P Pro with the 5" barrel and had the Apex FSS trigger kit installed. I have no regrets and wouldn't trade it for any other striker fired gun on the market. Regards, Elliot45
 
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