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Striker Fire rather than Hammer Fire?
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It appears that member 99savage308 drives a much more expensive car than we do!
My last car payment cost me just under half a Shield per month.
It appears that member 99savage308 drives a much more expensive car than we do!
My last car payment cost me just under half a Shield per month.
If you buy an HK P7, it costs as much as a good mortgage payment.
Tell us how you really feel
But, how many of them have kaboomed?
I'm guessing less than the amount of 6rd 4513 mags out there for sale.
And much less than the amount of rails that fell off Sigs.
Now, the only question left is when Shields hit the 2 million mark?
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I love my Colt Gold Cup .45, some old S&W .357 revolvers, an old Browning .22, a Beretta 84 and a Sig P238. That being said, I carry a Shield 9mm that has an Apex sear and trigger block which gives it a great trigger and my M&P Pro 9mm that has an Apex FSS trigger kit installed in it is one of the most accurate guns I've ever owned. So while the new polymer guns may not have the same aesthetic appeal the old guns had, they can be just as useful (if not more so) than the old handguns. I'd be sick if one of my old guns got lost, stolen or damaged but a new one can be easilty replaced. And the triggers can be fantastic if you want them to be and they are the same pull weight everytime. Regards, Elliot45
I thought it was already and it's name was Glock.
I won't own a striker fired handgun. Every one I've ever tried has had a terrible trigger that felt like plastic. I also like to see if a hangun is cocked. Not as obvious on a striker fired at a glance. Just my opinion from an old wood and steel guy.
Gotta love Arik, a practical guy who takes all the emotional rah rah and BS out of the argument.
Its nice that Apex gives the m&p series everything the factory didn't.
My problem is that I don't like paying the "Apex Tax" for every S&W M&P plastic wonder gun that I feel like picking up.
I know I should but I'm a poor, stubborn old man who has never had to pay a "tax" on any of my all-metal handguns to get them to work right out of the box (which I suppose is why I keep buying them). But Elliot is 100% right about one thing.
I don't have to worry a hoot about my cheap, plastic wonder guns getting dropped, damaged, lost or stolen. They're disposable, after all. And so that's why I carry them and not my beloved 3rd Gens! My problem is that I don't like paying the "Apex Tax" for every S&W M&P plastic wonder gun that I feel like picking up.
But Elliot is 100% right about one thing.
I wouldn't want to stand IFO you facing the muzzle, with either gun.
Others might want to take that risk. 
racemi
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For me, it's the trigger reset that I don't like on striker fired pistols. My 39-2 has a 1/8 inch reset. I haven't found a striker fired pistol with that short a reset. DA/SA pull is no problem for me. When at the range I only fire single action and if I have to defend myself with a quick first shot DA, then I can do it. I just don't like the long reset on the striker fired pistols.
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I admit I know next to nothing about striker fired pistols. It's been said that the trigger pull is more consistent vs hammer fired.
All the guns I've ever used over the past 50+ years have been hammer fired. The absolute best, most consistent, flawless trigger in my opinion is, hands down, is a Model 52. I picked mine up in the late 80's as a gun I had been drooling over for many years. Paid $400 for it, a bargain even then. This trigger beats any other custom trigger I've ever tried.
You can tell me all you want about good, consistent triggers and try to convince me that I'm wrong. Pick up my 52 and try the trigger and, as they say, you'll break into your "happy dance".
All the guns I've ever used over the past 50+ years have been hammer fired. The absolute best, most consistent, flawless trigger in my opinion is, hands down, is a Model 52. I picked mine up in the late 80's as a gun I had been drooling over for many years. Paid $400 for it, a bargain even then. This trigger beats any other custom trigger I've ever tried.
You can tell me all you want about good, consistent triggers and try to convince me that I'm wrong. Pick up my 52 and try the trigger and, as they say, you'll break into your "happy dance".
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The bore axis on striker fired guns is usually appreciably lower than that for hammer fired. The hand can be moved further up the grip resulting in less muzzle rise. This is a consequence of the design not the motivating factor.
Walther PPQ is close with 1/10" reset with a 4# trigger. It's very nice. It's what I should have bought instead of a full apex M&P a year ago.
DanHend, what do you mean by a "full apex M&P a year ago"? Does that mean you bought an M&P and had a full Apex FSS trigger kit installed? I know that I bought the M&P Pro with the 5" barrel and had the Apex FSS trigger kit installed. I have no regrets and wouldn't trade it for any other striker fired gun on the market. Regards, Elliot45
Pretty much go along with this.
I would also add that the safety features and safe handling procedures of many hammer-fired guns are obvious and simple. I fully recognize that millions of LEOs carry striker-fired pistols, and very few of them have problems with them. Nevertheless, unlike LEOs, I don't have to carry a gun, at least not to keep my job. Therefore, I am not willing to take any more risk than necessary in handling the things. On most revolvers and hammer-fired autos, it is easy to control the hammer when holstering. Even on a newer Centennial, one can put a fingertip behind the trigger.
For everyday carry, I want a gun with hammer. I can get what I want.
Rick_A
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Sig and Beretta have continued military usage spurring their sales. Some CZ's have NATO certification as well as a growing reputation for excellence in sporting circles as well as from owners. The prices seem to increase with the popularity.
Everything has a place. There's nothing wrong with diversity.
Everything has a place. There's nothing wrong with diversity.
Rick_A
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We have these between the wife and I.
A mix of single action, double action, and striker.
What they all have in common is they work and shoot well and are some of the best of their kind.
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The safety concerns are completely unfounded. They're all as safe as their user. If a safety or decocker is required from a mechanical standpoint, so be it. If it isn't there's no point in having one.
A mix of single action, double action, and striker.
What they all have in common is they work and shoot well and are some of the best of their kind.
20160428_092713 (1) by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr
20160428_092059(1) by Slick_Rick77, on FlickrThe safety concerns are completely unfounded. They're all as safe as their user. If a safety or decocker is required from a mechanical standpoint, so be it. If it isn't there's no point in having one.
I bought one that had the Apex DCEK and RAM. I had their flat trigger installed after I bought it. It was still... ok. It felt great in the hand, but was a so-so shooter. I ended up trading it in towards my Sig Legion SAO.
The PPQ is better in except for sights and accessories. It is more Glock 19-sized as opposed to the commander 1911-size of the M&P.
When the corporate entity calling itself S&W tried to develop a new generation of "safe" handguns that satisfied the gun control idiots and were jeered into submission by the real shooting sports buyers they settled instead on easy, cheap striker fired models with long mushy triggers. I love my Shield40 for its light weight and small size for EDC, but I consider it a "throwaway" that I wouldn't want to use beyond 15 feet. So when I take it to the range for a little target practice I also take my 3rd gen 5906 or a full size 1911 style Para Ordnance so that I feel like I've actually been doing some real shooting. The S&W striker fired lines are pretty much just cheap carry pieces that anyone can own without worrying about shooting themselves in the foot. Other than that, 18DAI pretty much said it all in the very first post.
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Back in the day.... when we were transitioning folks from the DA revolver to the DA/SA pistol (S&W 459, SIG P226), the most difficult teaching aspect was the two different trigger pulls of the DA/SA auto. Making two good shots at speed was very difficult for most shooters. Either the first shot was pulled, or the second one yanked due to the sudden difference in trigger travel. From a pure shooting standpoint, it is a foolish system. But under the shooting protocols of the time, it was designed to prevent accidental discharges.
I prefer the SAO 1911, but it is not for everyone. I also use the striker/poly guns and find them very efficient. My stock M&P45 shoots as well as my 1911s on combat courses of fire, although the 1911 carries concealed much better.
The SD9/40 has been mentioned. I like this pistol a lot as a polygun. The "self defense trigger" is indeed a piece of marketing gibberish to explain a very poor trigger. I generally stay away from aftermarket **** on firing mechanisms, but I did try an Apex trigger on the SD40 and it made all the difference. The trigger pull is now similar to a light DAO hammer pistol and very consistent. After hundreds of rounds it has been very reliable. Not an install for an amateur, however.
I prefer the SAO 1911, but it is not for everyone. I also use the striker/poly guns and find them very efficient. My stock M&P45 shoots as well as my 1911s on combat courses of fire, although the 1911 carries concealed much better.
The SD9/40 has been mentioned. I like this pistol a lot as a polygun. The "self defense trigger" is indeed a piece of marketing gibberish to explain a very poor trigger. I generally stay away from aftermarket **** on firing mechanisms, but I did try an Apex trigger on the SD40 and it made all the difference. The trigger pull is now similar to a light DAO hammer pistol and very consistent. After hundreds of rounds it has been very reliable. Not an install for an amateur, however.
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That's how I feel
I too love old guns and old cars, there is nothing better than an all metal pistol or revolver, I have a weakness for all S&W 59 series pistols all generations, to me the last of the great pistols, besides plastic is what squirt guns are made of
5Wire
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Some of the best and most reliable pistols manufactured have been striker fired beginning decades ago and there is nothing intrinsically cheap or shoddy about them either. What silliness.
Durability? Modern polymers used in high quality firearms may well outlast steel with much less maintenance and as Ruger demonstrated in a video—which I saw but cannot find— polymer can be harder to deform than steel but easier than steel to regain shape if deformed.
Something wrong with that?
Durability? Modern polymers used in high quality firearms may well outlast steel with much less maintenance and as Ruger demonstrated in a video—which I saw but cannot find— polymer can be harder to deform than steel but easier than steel to regain shape if deformed.
Something wrong with that?
Arik
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Striker fired is pretty obvious and simple. It shoots when the trigger is pulled. Same as how do you know if an AR is chambered? You don't, you either check or you assume it is and don't pull the trigger
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5Wire
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I have pistols with visible loaded chamber indicators and may also be sensible to the touch.
Some shoot if the striker is already cocked and a manual safety is off.
Some shoot by pulling the trigger, to fully cock and fire.
Some shoot by pulling the trigger, to fire and fully cock the striker.
Some don't shoot if a cocked striker is decocked and the trigger released.
Some don't shoot if a cocked trigger is decocked and a manual and/or grip safety is on.
Not to mention magazine disconnects.
Checking anyway is not a bad thing.
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