Here in Arizona, you can qualify with either a pistol or a revolver or both. Pistol, revolver or both will be on your LEOSA card. You can only carry the type you qualified in, it doesn't have to be the actual gun , but the type. If seems here in Arizona a certified NRA instructor can give the AZPost test as long as he puts you through the proper qualification course of fire and signs that he gave you the AZPOST course. I've never had to qualify with a NRA instructor yet as the local PD s are really good with LEOSA.
LEOSA: Qualifications and Covered Firearms
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Thanks friend!
Knowing how certain people in this state operate things at that point can and will get real interesting I'm sure.
Assuming they will allow mere citizens to still carry I should be able to pass most any firing test they mandate. Of course the big question is what new roadblocks will they put in our path!
Steve_in_PA
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In PA, the require me to have the shooter qualify with different firearms if the "controls" are different. So, if the shooter wants to carry a Glock, he can shoot the COF with a Glock, then carry any Glock. But it he may also want to carry, say a Sig 226, because the controls are different, he has to shoot another COF with the Sig.
And if he want to carry a revolver, he has to shoot a COF with the revolver.
I agree with the NRA's explanation, but try telling that to the powers that be.
And if he want to carry a revolver, he has to shoot a COF with the revolver.
I agree with the NRA's explanation, but try telling that to the powers that be.
Thanks friend!
Knowing how certain people in this state operate things at that point can and will get real interesting I'm sure.
Assuming they will allow mere citizens to still carry I should be able to pass most any firing test they mandate. Of course the big question is what new roadblocks will they put in our path!
Lakesider and Model 39,
Where is this coming from?
The (un)SAFE Act calls for recertification every 5 years; we hear that the county sheriffs are actively resisting this as another unfunded mandate from the state.
The NYSP has been unable to initiate the ammunition purchase database, either by design or intransigence, in the years since this abomination of law was passed. To expect them to take over a massive number of permits, many maintained in paper files in every county in the state, borders on unbelievable.
If there is some support for this notion hidden in the language of the act, please point it out.
I qualify with both revolver and semi-auto and my understanding is I'm covered for any handgun in either platform.
I was never a sworn officer, but as an instructor, assisted the county sheriff's training and was authorized as an auxiliary deputy to carry "when activated". We could carry whatever actual firearm we qualified with. They were listed by S/N with our sheriff's dept. I think I qualified with 4 or 5 handguns because of this.
Here in Maine they follow the text of LEOSA the way it's written - same type of firearm - either revolver or semiauto, you list one or the other or both on the application and qualify accordingly. Qual with an auto and you can carry any auto, same for revolvers. However, they don't list the type of firearm on the LEOSA certification card, go figure.
I live in a rural area and the Sheriff's Office is the only dept in the area that's large enough to have their own range officers/instructors so everybody that works for a small local agency or is retired shoots with them. The RO signs off on the application and you send it in to the state with $10 and they send you the card.
Maine is a constitutional carry state, but I still keep a CC permit for good measure. I only qual'd with an auto for my LEOSA card but often carry a J frame snubby. If I go out of state I always carry an auto.
I live in a rural area and the Sheriff's Office is the only dept in the area that's large enough to have their own range officers/instructors so everybody that works for a small local agency or is retired shoots with them. The RO signs off on the application and you send it in to the state with $10 and they send you the card.
Maine is a constitutional carry state, but I still keep a CC permit for good measure. I only qual'd with an auto for my LEOSA card but often carry a J frame snubby. If I go out of state I always carry an auto.
I have checked with a few knowledgeable people I know and based on that I totally agree with what you have posted.
I was only answering Model 39s post as to what he posted I never heard it before. I well knew about the 5 year plan/scheme but up till now things have been quite. I wonder where and who from he got his "info. Perhaps he will give us more detail in a future post! (hint hint)
The only thing is rest assured what ever they do/whenever they do it they will put in plenty of new steps for the permit dance.
Hopefully this explains my post!
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NCW Ray
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As xray97 posted, we can carry whichever type of handgun we qualify with.
The annual certification card I am given has a checkbox for Semi-Auto, and a checkbox for Revolver. If both boxes are checked then I can carry one and/or both at the same time if I choose. No serial numbers or scores are shown on the card.
In addition to our certification card, our certification date is entered into our local database so if an out of state officer has contact with me they can call 24/7 the phone number on our certification card and verify as well.
The annual certification card I am given has a checkbox for Semi-Auto, and a checkbox for Revolver. If both boxes are checked then I can carry one and/or both at the same time if I choose. No serial numbers or scores are shown on the card.
In addition to our certification card, our certification date is entered into our local database so if an out of state officer has contact with me they can call 24/7 the phone number on our certification card and verify as well.
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Every place is different. When I retired in Colorado, I was given a special concealed weapon permit that has the LEOSA language on it. I also only needed to shoot the course once and carry whatever I wanted... no indication about a firearm style on the card.
Down here in AZ, they qualify according to POST and as apollo99 said, semi and/or revolver. They also don't issue a "permit" - it's a qualification card to be kept with your retired ID.
Down here in AZ, they qualify according to POST and as apollo99 said, semi and/or revolver. They also don't issue a "permit" - it's a qualification card to be kept with your retired ID.
Fox4506
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I don't carry under LEOSA, as I'm not a retired LEO...but with all the different interpretations by state, agency, lawyer, etc...why not just get a regular CCW permit to cover yourself? It may not give quite as many rights to carry as LEOSA does, but in most states it's very clear what you can and can't do. I would not want to be a test case for LEOSA if I got into a shooting.
I have a NC and AZ CCW permit. I really only got my NC permit because of the silly permits needed to buy pistols in this state...and with a CCW permit we are exempt from the pistol purchase permit.
If you have any firearms training, such as law enforcement or military, the AZ permit is super easy to obtain. Fingerprints, copy of your firearms training, 1 page CCW permit application filled out, and a $60 money order, and you're good for 5 years. Renewal is $45. Seems much easier than trying to decipher what you can and can't do under LEOSA.
Fox
I have a NC and AZ CCW permit. I really only got my NC permit because of the silly permits needed to buy pistols in this state...and with a CCW permit we are exempt from the pistol purchase permit.
If you have any firearms training, such as law enforcement or military, the AZ permit is super easy to obtain. Fingerprints, copy of your firearms training, 1 page CCW permit application filled out, and a $60 money order, and you're good for 5 years. Renewal is $45. Seems much easier than trying to decipher what you can and can't do under LEOSA.
Fox
Pointblank2U
US Veteran
When I am in my home state, which is where I live, I can carry anything I want. When I am out of state on vacation. I just want "a gun", so this is not a big deal to me. I just get the LEOSA with my vacation gun. The rest is irrelevant.
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blues7
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Actually, despite the different ways that individual states interpret LEOSA (for issuing their own citizens documentation regarding qualifications and / or mandatory training), the rest is contingent on what LEOSA, (the federal law), grants under its authority.
For example, here in NC, if you were to qualify annually with your old agency or department the state would not get involved whatsoever. You'd receive your proof of qualification from that agency to keep with your retired creds and be good to go.
However, in NC, if you don't qualify with your old agency your alternative is to qualify through an instructor who is certified by the NC Dept. of Justice. In my case, a lieutenant with the local Sheriff's Dept.
The link I posted above from the NC DOJ provides a good explanation of the program and how it works...including a chart of where a retired LEO may carry vs. someone with a CCH.
Finally, I've considered getting a state license as well, and may in the future, but it would only be worthwhile if I wanted to conceal carry something I didn't qualify with for LEOSA or wanted to purchase additional firearms. Neither of which is the case at the present time. (The other firearm I carry occasionally but not under LEOSA, a 3" 686+, is open carried on our rural roads or local woods during periods of high bear or coyote activity while I'm out with the dog.)
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IMO, LEOSA needs to be refined and re-affirmed by Congress. There needs to be no ambiguity as to the unquestionable overriding federal jurisdiction and national (50 state and all US territories) applicability of the law and no question as to the scope and intent of the Act. No state can claim to opt out. Furthermore, there needs to be specific duties and obligations required of (former) employing law enforcement agencies who should be required to either grant LEOSA credentials to former qualified employees or provide a factual, valid reason why the employee is not eligible. There should also be well defined civil remedies written into the law. The last agency to have employed the qualified separated / retired officer should be the agency obligated / required under the act to issue the credential to qualified persons.
akviper
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FWIW, don't travel to Hawaii. They opted themselves out of the federal act. If you want to carry in Hawaii, they require that you pay a fee and apply for a permit. You must register your firearm within a short time of arriving on the island. LEOSA is not encouraged there. I will not be going back.
NOT TRUE
Huh?
Your statement is not true...nor could any state opt out of compliance with a Federal law.
Be safe.
Huh?
Your statement is not true...nor could any state opt out of compliance with a Federal law.
Be safe.
Huh?
Your statement is not true...nor could any state opt out of compliance with a Federal law.
Be safe.
Big D,
NJ is another one, their RPO permit, which only came into effect around the time LEOSA was enacted, demands certain requirements, mental health check w/ annual renewal, and their qualification course also requires night fire, they emphasize that no hollow point ammunition is allowed.They also have a maximum age limitation.
As we see in the LEOSA, that is not what the federal law says.
Another problem, their twice annual qualification required you to send them a certificate signed by the instructor, listing your specific firearms used for qualification, they issued an annual card ($50.00) that said you met the qualification, but that card has been rejected in a nearby state as not being a "record of qualification."
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States can and do often rationalize that they can add additional requirements to a federal law. What states can do, is enact their own state version of a federal law (act), but LEOSA should state, in no uncertain terms, that federal law supersedes all related state and local laws and prescribes penalties for state and agency non-compliance. (Historically, California has become too big for its collective britches.)
Here's Hawaii's added LEOSA requirements. Hawaii must have missed the memo about federal LEOSA requirements.
https://ag.hawaii.gov/cjd/files/2013/01/LEOSA-guideline-for-QLEO-926B.pdf
Criminal Justice Division | Law Enforcement Index Page
Here's Hawaii's added LEOSA requirements. Hawaii must have missed the memo about federal LEOSA requirements.
https://ag.hawaii.gov/cjd/files/2013/01/LEOSA-guideline-for-QLEO-926B.pdf
Criminal Justice Division | Law Enforcement Index Page
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Blackshirt
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Here in Louisiana, we must pass the Louisiana Peace Officer's Firearms qualification with a score of 70% or better. The firearm that I used is not listed on my qual card.
Huh?
Your statement is not true...nor could any state opt out of compliance with a Federal law.
Be safe.
Hmm...heard the term 'sanctuary cities'? Marijuana, in Colorado?
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