.38 Defense Ammo

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I'm sure this is been asked many times before, but it is sometimes hard to search through… and some of the threads are really old. What would you say is the best defensive round for a .38 snubnose? I have a 642 and it is rated for plus P. In a lot of my guns I use Hornady critical defense, but I wonder with the short barrel if I should be going for a heavier bullet
 
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Speer designed the 135 grain, .38 +P Short Barrel ammo specifically for snub noses. (For the NYPD as I recall.)

Mas Ayoob has reported that police departments that have used it report very good results.

Bill
 
Speer designed the 135 grain, .38 +P Short Barrel ammo specifically for snub noses. (For the NYPD as I recall.)

Mas Ayoob has reported that police departments that have used it report very good results.

Bill
Does it have another name without "short barrel" in it? Or is all of their 135 gr hollow points by default for short barrels? I've never seen any with "short barrel" in the name.
 
If you like the Critical Defense, use it. I've found it to be very accurate in my Centennials. I use the standard pressure 110gr version in my Airweights.
 
Thank you...and forgive my awkward phrasing in my first post. I was using talk to text and it didn't come out quite right haha
 
When I carried my 640 Pro I had Speer LE 135 grain 38 HP's in it. I've seen boxes marked short barrel but never bought them since they had less rounds then the LE boxes. My 642 has been in the safe since I bought the 640 Pro but I did use the same round in it also.
 
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Another vote for the Hornady "Critical Defense" in standard pressure 110gr...

...and though I'm not currently carrying it I have some Winchester "Ranger" 130gr +P on hand as well.
 
I'm guessing that the difference between any of the reputable defensive manufacturers is pretty minimal. I try to find a good +p load (the heavier the weight the better) that shoots to POA with my fixed-sight snubs. The 135s work pretty well. Right now I have 129 gr Hydra-Shoks in it. I think they'll do the trick if need be.

I truly believe we tend to over-analyze this a bit. But it's fun!
 
I know I over-analyze, but that's just my nature lol. I think I feel pretty good with any of the above
 
another vote for 110 critical defense standard pressure. Very controllable with excellent expansion and penetration.

I'm no rocket scientist but it's my understanding most +p loads don't burn fast enough in short barrels to utilize the additional pressure.
 
Those of you who are suggesting the standard pressure… Do you believe there is a detriment to using the plus P, or do you just believe you won't get much out of it? I don't think there's much if any difference in price
 
I use Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 38 Special +P 135 grain. It will be marked "Short Barrel" on the box. It is only available in 135 gr.
Speer does make a Gold Dot 38 Special +P for standard barrels but it only comes in 125 gr. The box is not marked "Short Barrel."

You can differentiate the two cartridges by sight. The Short Barrel has a hollow-point bullet that is divided into seven segments while the standard version is divided into six.
 
Additional recoil making it more difficult to get back on target and flash from barrel could cause a problem at night. Not worth it for me. I'm accurate with 110 critical defense and I know how the bullet expands so no use in adding potential issues with +p. For me at least..
 
The Speer 135 grain loads were originally marked for short barrels. However, it is my understanding that boxes of more recent manufacture do not have that description printed. The understanding is that this ammunition is that which was originally marked for short barrels. Either way, I think it is a very good choice (among others) for use in snubby revolvers.

Another very good choice is the 158 grain LSWCHP (the original loading called the FBI load for the .38 Special). Recent manufactured ammo of this type is, I think, found only made by Remington and Winchester. This ammo is reported to be somewhat less powerful than the original loadings. Buffalo Bore does indeed make this ammunition in what they call Standard Loads as well as in +P Loading. Their website shows performance information for this ammo in several different barrel lengths and is stated to result from shooting the specific gun used to obtain the results. I think the standard load is fully the equal of the original loadings and perhaps a bit better. Buffalo Bore states emphatically that it is safe for any revolver chambered in .38 Special. In my experience, it is a great, if slightly expensive, and effective loading for the snub nosed revolver. It shoots to point of aim in my guns, but so does the Speer loads. I like both, but it's hard for me not to prefer that 158 grain lead bullet!
 
I have considerable experience with all of these loads.

Both the Buffalo Bore and the Remington editions of 158gr+P .38
Special LSWCHP seem to be optimal IME.

The Winchester version, however, is both quite dirty and very hard (the bullet, that is), so that expansion of the bullet is considerably less likely than with the softer lead alloy bullet examples from Remington and Buffalo Bore.

FWIW.
 
Every video on the WWW where people test the "FBI" load out of a snub the bullet FAILS to expand. Every time. Might as well use a full wad cutter round. In fact, it would probably perform better out of a snub.

The only two rounds that seem to perform reasonably well from a 2" or less barrel are:

Speer 135gr +p GD
Hornady 110gr +p FTX
 
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