NJ State Police File Lawsuit Against Sig Sauer Over Gun Malfunctions
2.5 million lawsuit on tap for "defective" guns?
2.5 million lawsuit on tap for "defective" guns?
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$865k for holsters? That's a lotta leather! Should have bought the Glocks in the first place.It's not like they are expensive or unproven in the field. Probably some bureaucratic rule/decision to put the contract out to bid instead of what the dept. wanted. I know if I had to carry "to serve and to protect"....it would be a Glock. (G22 if allowed..)
Sure hope the militarys new replacement 9mm sidearm, the Sig 320, fares better.
Sure hope the militarys new replacement 9mm sidearm, the Sig 320, fares better.
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Jdavis
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Is this the same weapon that was accepted as a replacement for the M9?
Pisgah
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This reminds me of the situation between S&W and the NC Dept. of Corrections a few years back. The new revolvers the department had ordered had a few problems, up to and including barrels falling off. S&W denied any problem at all until S&W officials finally went to NC and convened a range session with DOC officials -- where the barrel of the first revolver the S&W guys fired fell off.
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That's the 320
Absalom
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Reading the article, the key seems to be that the agency tested and accepted for adoption another version than what they were shipped.
It's a common problem, not just with guns. Nobody builds inherently "bad" guns, and the government/agency contract business is very competitive, so a lot comes down to how efficiently ("how cheaply" in plain English) you can produce large numbers, rather than individual characteristics of any given model.
In reference to the Sig P229, "Legacy" is likely code for "quality holdover from the good old days", and "Enhanced Elite" is really code for "new and cheaper to produce per unit". And this batch that went to the NJ State Police was apparently "enhanced" beyond salvage.
It's a common problem, not just with guns. Nobody builds inherently "bad" guns, and the government/agency contract business is very competitive, so a lot comes down to how efficiently ("how cheaply" in plain English) you can produce large numbers, rather than individual characteristics of any given model.
In reference to the Sig P229, "Legacy" is likely code for "quality holdover from the good old days", and "Enhanced Elite" is really code for "new and cheaper to produce per unit". And this batch that went to the NJ State Police was apparently "enhanced" beyond salvage.
I carry a Glock 9mm since 1994. Will probably retire carrying a Glock . lol. ZERO issues . My current ones are GEN3 17, GEN4 17, GEN4 19 and G43. I shoot Glocks A LOT. I never had problems with my German made P226 and P228 . Current Sigs I would not touch
Okla. highway patrol went to sig 320 a year or so ago.
IIRC, they had broken extractor probs early on.
Be interesting to see how the NJ thing plays out.
IIRC, they had broken extractor probs early on.
Be interesting to see how the NJ thing plays out.
They should have stuck with their P7M8's.
Carried them the same time as NJSP had them, nice guns, very accurate, but very intricate mechanically and prone to spring breakage that would render the weapon inoperative.
I have to wonder what's going on at SIG. My P250, the hammer-fired predecessor of the P320, has had only a single failure to feed in 2800 rounds. And I must have one of the earlier, (mid-2014), better P320s. I've had only two failures to eject and one failure to feed in 5600 rounds. While the P320 is not exactly built like a battleship, it is at least built like a heavy cruiser. It's hard to conceive how the same gun that has run nearly perfectly for me has had extractor problems with the OK highway patrol. I hope for our troops' sake that SIG is not building them to a lower standard these days. In any case, both of my SIGs are keepers.
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Arik
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Very simple to understand. You shot 5600 rounds in 3 years. OkHP probably did that per gun in a weekend
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Arik
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Sig has been riding their 80s reputation for a long time. From late 90s to about 2010 they were complete garbage. Dropped by many departments or simply not upgraded by those departments. What they did was focus on civilian sales because very very few civilians actually put their guns to the test. So Sig made 30 versions of each gun and each version had another 20 finish options and so on. Mainly aimed at civilians.
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Sig didn't do so well in the 80's either with their crappy cheap pot metal frame rails. Bought one the late 80's and would never buy another.
God help our servicemen.
God help our servicemen.
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Guns don't work. Sig can't get em to work. Then can't replace the guns as scheduled. Curious why a lawsuit would be required rather then Sig voluntarily refunding and moving on...
Arik
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Frames were aluminum. You happened to have gotten a lemon. Breaking rails was not something that was an issue.
The new 320 is not the same thing as the old legacy P series. The 320 was made to compete with Glock.
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HOUSTON RICK
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Don't know anything about Sigs, but I do know that purchasing folks can be corrupted.
spad124
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My experience with Sig has been good. But both of mine are used. I have a P6 that dates to 1978 and a P226 CPO German frame/US stainless slide that dates to 2001. Both are 100% reliable.
Arik
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I'm sure they are but how reliable is reliable? Can I shoot 5k rounds in a few days without cleaning and without failure?
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