venomballistics
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That phrase, and others like it, often do precede the events that lead to the best stories.
Look at the mileage it's getting here.
No good memories start over a salad
FBI agent loses gun during dance back flip
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That phrase, and others like it, often do precede the events that lead to the best stories.
Look at the mileage it's getting here.
No good memories start over a salad
Filo McShoe
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Well he's still a lucky guy. Even if he's fired and charged with a crime he's just plain lucky.
Lucky no one else in the bar had a gun and opened fire on him. After he proved he was armed, fired into the crowd, and started to flee someone could have very easily shot him. So in my book he's still a lucky guy.
Lucky no one else in the bar had a gun and opened fire on him. After he proved he was armed, fired into the crowd, and started to flee someone could have very easily shot him. So in my book he's still a lucky guy.
Doug M.
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*...us 'why' he should not have been there, please. (And God forbid he was dancing. The Devil must be involved!)
States in which I have lived the vast majority of my life do NOT bar lawful consumption of alcohol in conjunction with lawful CCW. They expect their citizens to live in the land of good decisions.
Re: toxicology, what makes you think there was a tox screen? Or believe he was, in fact, intoxicated?
Having been involved in myriad shooting investigations, I cannot recall one where a tox screen was a consideration...let alone done.
Be safe.
I'm not opposed to dancing on some moral grounds (I make an awful Puritan
), although I don't do so, and the delicate sensibilities of all should be grateful 
. The problem is that almost every place of this nature involving dancing and booze (with, as I said, the possible exception of ballroom dancing), tends to be a magnet for various forms of jackassery, fights, and other stupid or criminal conduct. Is it all of them, no. Is it far too many of them? Yes. Been a cop and prosecutor in two states, and seen far too many events involving such, with every variant of pigment, plumbing, and preference to even consider the risk to be prudent.LE are, and must be, held to a higher standard. If I had been involved in a critical incident on duty (shooting, car crash, anything), I would not only expect, but DEMAND to have a blood draw and tox screen for my own protection; same with an off-duty shooting. I am pretty sure everyone I know in LE applies the same practice. Combine the apparent stupidity and the time/location, and one would have to be very complacent to not suspect impairment. It is entirely possible he did not have anything more ill-advised than a diet coke, but ...
The conduct here was appallingly stupid. The agency and the public need to know why. And the comments about "Glocks" are missing the point - people have been having NDs for a long time, LONG before Glocks came around. It may be easier to do with a Glock, but it's still a direct result of bad training and improper conduct (rule 3 violation) than the platform.
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keith44spl
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My eleven year old grandson summed it up to me like this....
"How stupid is that.....Don't anyone give him a grenade !!!!"
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"How stupid is that.....Don't anyone give him a grenade !!!!"
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Your grandson sounds like a sharp kid and a real kick in the pants!
Doug M.
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And almost certainly someone with whom more of us would rather associate than the person at the center of this string.
CCantu357
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What sort of people make up the FBI these days? What sort of men do back flips in a nightclub?
Federal agents should be consummate pros 24/7. As a taxpayer, I expect my federal agents to be dressed in heavily starched black suits at all times, carrying a .357 Magnum or 10mm automatic, and living out of a black Crown Vic loaded with antennae and AR-15s - mirrored Ray-Bans and a pack of Marlboro Reds optional.
Federal agents should be consummate pros 24/7. As a taxpayer, I expect my federal agents to be dressed in heavily starched black suits at all times, carrying a .357 Magnum or 10mm automatic, and living out of a black Crown Vic loaded with antennae and AR-15s - mirrored Ray-Bans and a pack of Marlboro Reds optional.
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No argument that the primary safety resides between one's ears. However, can you provide details of these "all the time" instances of a positive safety being inadvertently deactivated.
pluspea
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Lot in common with this guy.
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CNN just reported that he is in detention, investigated on 2nd degree assault by Denver police.
okiegtrider
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Looks like he's in custody at the moment. 9news.com | Dancing FBI agent formally charged in shooting
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Whitwabit
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Think the boy just lost his badge .. and shouldn't be able to wear another one .. He is very very lucky someone wasn't killed or more seriously wounded .. Though the man shot did have a serious gun shot wound !!
It's sad he ruined a career over something he should have known better then to do .. both doing the back flip and picking up the pistol with his finger on the trigger !! And being in the service where he was he should be familiar with firearms ~~ and how to safely handle them !!
The range I go too has a rule that if you break your no longer allowed to shoot there !!
That RULE is - If you drop your pistol your not allowed to pick it up for 10 seconds after calling for a range cease fire .. the purpose is to stop someone from hastily grabbing the pistol and causing a ND like the agent had .. many people had questioned the reasoning and here you have it !!
It's sad he ruined a career over something he should have known better then to do .. both doing the back flip and picking up the pistol with his finger on the trigger !! And being in the service where he was he should be familiar with firearms ~~ and how to safely handle them !!
The range I go too has a rule that if you break your no longer allowed to shoot there !!
That RULE is - If you drop your pistol your not allowed to pick it up for 10 seconds after calling for a range cease fire .. the purpose is to stop someone from hastily grabbing the pistol and causing a ND like the agent had .. many people had questioned the reasoning and here you have it !!
Dancing Former FBI Agent Pleads
Finally an end to this saga yesterday. Avoided jail but pled to misdemeanor assault.
Dancing FBI agent admits accidentally shooting Denver bar patron | US news | The Guardian
Finally an end to this saga yesterday. Avoided jail but pled to misdemeanor assault.
Dancing FBI agent admits accidentally shooting Denver bar patron | US news | The Guardian
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I think it's important to note that the linked article reflects that the agent was fired at some point prior to the conviction . . .
Agreed. Headline should read "former." I do also find interesting there is no mention of toxicology in any of the articles I have seen.
Then clearly it wasn't an important issue in the case . . .
Edit: I just did a little research, and possession of a firearm while intoxicated is a misdemeanor in Colorado, same as the assault charge of conviction here. I would much rather take the former charge than the latter, hence the reason for my statement earlier in this post . . .
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sigp220.45
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It is a one-mistake Bureau, but this one was a doozy. I was sure he would be fired.
Graduate of Liberty University, Army officer, FBI agent - now an unemployed punchline. Proof of the adage that one aw **** wipes out a hundred attaboys.
Graduate of Liberty University, Army officer, FBI agent - now an unemployed punchline. Proof of the adage that one aw **** wipes out a hundred attaboys.
I don't feel one bit sorry for him, and I tend to be a pretty charitable person. I'm sure he will have another job soon, and I have no doubt it will be carrying a gun.
And all that above is a damn same. As stupid and as bad as this stunt was, I would have given the kid another shot because of his military service. We should practice redemption and resurrection, not destruction. Make him work off all the damages for the person he shot, take his gun and badge and make him do administrative work. I am sure they have plenty of that to do in the FBI.
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Quoting from one news source:
"He had not been drinking at the time, as his BAC returned 0.00, according to court records"
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