Why NOT to Carry a .38 Snub

Minute of bad guy sounds great when you are behind the keyboard. I want minute of bullet hole if I can get it. That way when I am cold and wet, tired and weary, bleeding and desperate I can get hits fast and dirty. It's nice to have about 1000 rounds of muscle memory too.

Yeah, who doesn't? Practice is great, invaluable in fact, but the thing is silhouettes don't shoot back. Although it does teach muscle memory, which can't be replaced. That's a whole new challenge, and one which can't be replicated on the range. I don't know for sure but I think when you're fighting for your life, fear takes over and the impulse is to shoot fast and at close range, which most SD occur, a lot of training goes out the window.
 
Yeah, who doesn't? Practice is great, invaluable in fact, but the thing is silhouettes don't shoot back. Although it does teach muscle memory, which can't be replaced. That's a whole new challenge, and one which can't be replicated on the range. I don't know for sure but I think when you're fighting for your life, fear takes over and the impulse is to shoot fast and at close range, which most SD occur, a lot of training goes out the window.


Play airsoft. The only training where the targets shoot back.
 
Done Airsoft in many training sessions.

It does open your eyes to some idea of reality.

36 years as a LEO and my agency did a bunch of it with paintballs, simunitioms and airsoft. Super glad they did and exposed us to simulated realities of armed encounters.

One take away that will never leave
Me is how many times you get shot in the hands while you are shooting. We all focus on the threat and hit it with amazing accuracy and frequency.

Wear good padded gloves if you have the opportunity to do this kind of training.

And yes, I still feel perfectly comfortable carrying a revolver for my LEOSA carry. Usually a S&W 696 in. 44 Special. Funny how my BUG is now a Sig P365.

How the world changes.

Be prepared, Train as much as possible and always carry no matter what you choose to have on your person.

BTW - I still retain certifications to train concealed carry and retired LEOs. I do everything I can to encourage all of them to practice and train more and often.

It’s just the right thing to do.
 
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Yeah, who doesn't? Practice is great, invaluable in fact, but the thing is silhouettes don't shoot back. Although it does teach muscle memory, which can't be replaced. That's a whole new challenge, and one which can't be replicated on the range. I don't know for sure but I think when you're fighting for your life, fear takes over and the impulse is to shoot fast and at close range, which most SD occur, a lot of training goes out the window.
I have no idea what takes over, but I know that my subconsciousness loves the revolver. It comes up instinctively and my index is very good with it. I have no hesitation with a revolver. Look down and shoot down at reasonable distances.
 
The author is being hyperbolic with terms like 'never' and 'you're not good enough'.

That said, a 5 shot .38 was much more viable when most threats you were likely to encounter were similarly armed. That just isn't the case today. In the rare event that we will need to draw and shoot, the attacker(s) will more likely than ever before be armed with pistols holding 18 rounds or long-guns with 30 round mags. Attackers today are also motivated in ways that make them less likely to retreat when engaged by armed resistance. Most mass shooters expect to die at the scene, so they will stay and fight. That's the reality.

A 5 shot .38 makes sense against the 'typical' lone mugger armed with a knife, bludgeon, or Saturday night special who will runaway at the sight of a handgun.

In many cases, the .38 snub puts one at a distinct disadvantage in today's age of terrorists and mass shooters in mall and movie theaters, given that other more potent and similarly sized options are available.

This does not entail that we go armed with full sized long guns. A Glock 26 holds twice the payload with more potent rounds and a faster reload, and not much bigger package than a steel j frame. Even a single stack 9mm or .45 with a 3 inch barrel is much easier to shoot and reload quickly without sacrificing ease of carry.

Tools should evolve with the times we use them in.
 
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The author is being hyperbolic with terms like 'never' and 'you're not good enough'.

That said, a 5 shot .38 was much more viable when most threats you were likely to encounter were similarly armed. That just isn't the case today. In the rare event that we will need to draw and shoot, the attacker(s) will more likely than ever before be armed with pistols holding 18 rounds or long-guns with 30 round mags. Attackers today are also motivated in ways that make them less likely to retreat when engaged by armed resistance. Most mass shooters expect to die at the scene, so they will stay and fight. That's the reality.

A 5 shot .38 makes sense against the 'typical' lone mugger armed with a knife, bludgeon, or Saturday night special who will runaway at the sight of a handgun.

In many cases, the .38 snub puts one at a distinct disadvantage in today's age of terrorists and mass shooters in mall and movie theaters.

American gets it right. He understands threat-evolution.

A J-Frame is marginal against even one attacker armed with anything. But now the threat can easily be (1) multiple armed gangstas; (2) one or more mass shooters who intend to die; (3) one or more terrorists who don't mind dying.

In these situations, you'll almost certainly have to expend lots of ammo for suppression, so you can get to cover, run away, or stop the shooter(s). This is suppression fire, not spray-and-pray.

It will be said: "Learn how to shoot, and you can make your shots count." There's much truth in this; but the people who say it, should consider testing themselves in a simulation where the targets are shooting back. Go play some airsoft or paintball against experienced players. You'll be humbled, you'll learn a lot, and you'll appreciate that a fire-fight with motivated opponents bears little resemblance to range-shooting or even formal "training."

When I got licensed, over 20 years ago, I carried a compact 1911 in .45. It carried 7 rounds. I had a pump shotgun for a car gun.

After 9/11, I thought there could be a possibility of domestic terrorists, so I started carrying a spare magazine. Now I had 13 shots. And I replaced the shotgun with a Mini-14. Two twenties.

Now I carry a 9mm with 18 rounds, and 17 more in the spare.

Police know this. When I was a kid, officers around town carried a .357 revolver. It was what they got in the academy, and most of them stuck with it their whole careers. Some, who wanted more "power," catted-up to the .44 magnum. A few carried the 1911 in .45 ACP. Once in a blue moon you'd see a Browning Hi-Power. Lawmen carried shotguns in their cars.

Now, only a few old court bailiffs carry a sixgun or 1911. Everybody else is required to carry a hi-cap pistol. The shotgun has been pushed aside by the AR-15.

When the threat changes, we have to change with the threat.



If a 5 shot revolver was ever viable, it sure ain't now. Reloading with a speed-loader under fire from two or three gangstas, or from an AK-wielding something, is not possible. Five bangs and a click, and you are now combat ineffective.
 
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I'd much rather shoot 6 rounds in 10 seconds and keep on target than wing around in double action. There comes that muscle memory again!
Thumbing the hammer is automatic for me. And yes, I can do it one-handed, just not quite as fast.

Guess it's just hard for a stubborn old Taurus gal to learn new tricks!

Ok 6rds in 10sec is about 7sec too long, it wont likely happen. If you are NOT practicing DA, then you are doing yourself a disservice & a false sense of security with your skill set. DA, under 7y, 6rds in 3sec is where you want to be imho.
 
While terrorist attacks and active shooters are such low probability events that I don’t really devote much time to thinking about them, I feel you could make the case that a snub still offers certain advantages depending on the specific circumstances and how you intend to respond.

My intent is to get myself and family away from the scene as quickly as possible rather than stick around and engage in a firefight.

If I’m at ground zero when it goes down where running isn’t really a feasible option, I could see going hands on being a better response than immediately going for my gun. Ambush, close any gap and take control. If still needing to access and use a gun in those circumstances, a strong case could be made that a snub would be the superior weapon.

Another possibility is trying to flee, but finding yourself trapped or otherwise unable to and you have to hide. If ambushing the shooter at close-quarters when he gets near, the snub again makes sense.

There are obviously many other possible circumstances where a high capacity auto would likely be significantly better, but it’s not always the case. Plus, there are plenty of people who are extremely proficient with their snub and would likely do fine if needing to make accurate longer range shots or perhaps even engage in any type of ranged gunfight. Not ideal in those situations, but possibly still effective enough depending on the skill of the owner.
 
I love all the fantasy scenarios. You have more of a chance of dying on the way to the range than you do experiencing an active shooter or terrorist or gang of thugs.

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" - Mike Tyson

Follow Rule #1 and don't worry about all the noise. Carry a pocket 380? Good on you. Carry a j frame? Good on you. carry a 17 rounder with 3 reloads? Good on you.
 
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I love all the fantasy scenarios.



"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" - Mike Tyson

Follow Rule #1 and don't worry about all the noise.

Each of the scenarios I described earlier has occurred not once, but several times. In the case of (1), the most likely by far, just ask anyone who works in a cell phone store.
 
Each of the scenarios I described earlier has occurred not once, but several times. In the case of (3), just ask anyone who works in a cell phone store.


Life is full of choices. If I worked in a cell phone store and I couldn't be armed. I wouldn't work there. Of course my carry choices would be different. It's all common sense. That is what most of these arguments lack.


I have fired shots in self defense against armed assailants. I utterly don't agree with your stance, but I respect it and I am not going to espouse how I am right and you are wrong. Carry what you want. My j frame is more than enough for me, and I actually lived it. You want to carry more, that is your right, choice, and decision. More power too you.


I have way too much fun in life and more important things to do than worry about active shooters and terrorists and kit up like i am on gang patrol in south central. I lived in war zones full of them for two years and I am alive. I am not going to run around paranoid in my own country. J frame lifestyle. Nobody is going to change my mind with fantasy scenarios that happened a couple times in a country that has multi millions of people.
 
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Everyone talks about reloads and facing 3 armed opponents etc etc

I carry a snub nose revolver often. I also sometimes carry a Glock 19 or 43. The way I see it, no matter what you are carrying, if you need to reload or are facing multiple armed people, if they are bent on doing more than just taking your money and are determined to shoot you if necessary, you will lose that fight. You pull a gun and get lucky enough to shoot the first guy, the second or third will be shooting you. You need to reload, magazine or loader/strip, you’re not in a good spot.

On the flip side, if the “armed robbers” are not determined to do anything than find a soft target or, around here is common, carrying air soft guns to scare you into compliance, they will be running at the sight of a gun or resistance.

Carry what you want. All I know is I LIKE shooting my snubs more than my semi autos, so they get shot more and I feel I M better with them. That gives me an advantage.
 
The 38 I have been carried for many many years by police . I have autos they can jam even good ones uncle once told me revolver never jam so was my first gun I have many autos but my 38 is my go to gun at the house .
 
Maybe I should just wear an oversized sport coat and carry this:
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When our Sheriff's Office changed from model K revolvers to model 645 pistols, I sold many revolvers to buy .45 pistols. Last year I decided to replace my J & K frame revolvers. I bought short barrel models and put a fixed rear sight on the K frame 2.75" barrel. Either of these will shoot .357 magnum rounds, or .38+p. I would feel comfortable carrying either, but I have been carrying my CS 45 for over 20+ years and like it, so I plan on continuing it. A snub nose revolver with .38 special round has put many an evil person in the ground.
 
No Worries about the 38Spl

I like my S&W 637 38Spl. The 38Spl is the best defensive
round there is, the TKO is outstanding.

My S&W 637 has easy concealment, Toy Gun Weight, Safe,
Easy to use, SA/DA usage for when you get jumped out of no
where, and Lead Wadcutters destroys all it contacts and a
benefit of Lead it doesn't ricochet.

I carry that little 637 Fly Fishing all the time. From my Fly
Fishing Vest, it has the Element of Surprise. The probability of
encountering a Terrorist/Active Killer is very slim too.

I have no Scenarios like the Masters above. Like Indiana Jones
when the time comes, things will be happen quite differently
then is imagined and practiced for. Sometime I'll tell you about
Bosnia and Kosovo.

I, do, must say, I should practice more with it, but just hate to.
Probably just a familiarization will do. I do enough shooting
with my S&Ws; 625, 629, 696, 686, and 617s, Rifles, and
Shotguns I'm good for now.
 

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First, he identified a Centennial revolver as "Hammerless" - shows ignorance, Second, while some of his points have some validity, they are not absolute. I would guess that more people have been shot and killed with a .38 in the last 100 years or so than any other pistol round.
Last, I have carried a 5 shot J frame for back up and off duty and daily carry since retirement for better than 40 years. I was involved in one LE shooting with a .45 ACP+P and I can tell you that there was no expansion and while the end result was good they were less than impressive. No handgun round is a death ray that's why my primary home defense weapon is a 12 gauge shotgun.
 
First, he identified a Centennial revolver as "Hammerless" - shows ignorance, Second, while some of his points have some validity, they are not absolute. I would guess that more people have been shot and killed with a .38 in the last 100 years or so than any other pistol round.
Last, I have carried a 5 shot J frame for back up and off duty and daily carry since retirement for better than 40 years. I was involved in one LE shooting with a .45 ACP+P and I can tell you that there was no expansion and while the end result was good they were less than impressive. No handgun round is a death ray that's why my primary home defense weapon is a 12 gauge shotgun.

It's refreshing to see an excellent post. No obsessive armchair tactical textbook gunfighting theory, just experience and good sense.
 
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