Reminds me of a funny SNL skit back in the day.
Chinese honcho to O: "You know you can't pay back your debt in clunkers."
Electric vehicles...
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Reminds me of a funny SNL skit back in the day.
Chinese honcho to O: "You know you can't pay back your debt in clunkers."
prairieviper
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Last year, my wife and I had some interest in buying an EV, but the more we researched and learned, the less inclined we were to be feeling comfortable with making a purchase. Dealerships in our area can't provide a decent inventory of fossil fuel cars, let alone EV's. We don't need to make a vehicle purchase now so an EV might be in the picture down the road; or not. Time will tell.
Just charge the battery during the day when the sun is shining and use the battery at night.
Another idea is use wind power. While flying the propellers could create power to charge batteries or provide power for electric motors.
I wish my school teachers that told me I didn't have good sense and would never amount too anything could see how I just solved a major world problem. Larry
I actually studied those somewhat. I'd read the GM press release on electric soon to come 1/2 ton trucks and they were saying the heavier duty trucks were years down the road.
However about the "Lightning"......First off, while Ford's ICE competition was bragging about payload and towing capacity, Ford's website was strangely silent about either for all their products. I looked at the Lightning base model "work truck" and after reading some fine print found that to tow anything, you needed a $2k upgrade. Payload information was in nearly microscopic print and seemed to show a 400 lb payload with a certain battery pack (may have been the $2k upgrade). Seemed to show various battery packs with $20K+ price tag increase at each step up.
While the base was around $30K, the next 2 models were $50k+ and $90k+ FOR A COTTON PICKING HALF TON!
So basically, the base model is a virtue signaling ego booster for skinny people who don't actually need a light duty pickup to haul/tow. I expect it might see some success in urban (very) light package delivery-depending on how hefty the driver is.
The one thing I did like about the Lightning was that the battery pack appears to be bolted to the frame. If done right, changing the battery pack could be fairly simple. Forklift/special jack to support battery pack, remove bolts, lower pack and disconnect, slide it out from under, reverse to install the new one. Knowing Ford, it ain't gonna be that easy.
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But the Fords are sold out before the end of the year; EV sales are up 63% over the first half of 2021.
2.4 million EVs were delivered to customers in Mainland China in H1 2022. This equated to 26% of all passenger cars delivered there, against just 10% in H1 2021.
1.1 million EVs were delivered to customers in Europe, accounting for 20% of all passenger cars. EVs represented 16% in H1 2021.
In comparison, the US is still catching up. 414,000 EVs were delivered to customers in H1 2022. But EVs grew from 3% of new cars in H1 2021 to 6% of new cars in H1 2022, a rise of 62%.
Canalys Newsroom - Global EV sales up 63% in H1 2022, with 57% of vehicles sold in Mainland China
2.4 million EVs were delivered to customers in Mainland China in H1 2022. This equated to 26% of all passenger cars delivered there, against just 10% in H1 2021.
1.1 million EVs were delivered to customers in Europe, accounting for 20% of all passenger cars. EVs represented 16% in H1 2021.
In comparison, the US is still catching up. 414,000 EVs were delivered to customers in H1 2022. But EVs grew from 3% of new cars in H1 2021 to 6% of new cars in H1 2022, a rise of 62%.
Canalys Newsroom - Global EV sales up 63% in H1 2022, with 57% of vehicles sold in Mainland China
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#1: American car companies are well-known for making idiotic decisions.
#2: The Chinese are used to doing what their government tells them to do. They don't have an expectation of freedom.
Americans drive looooong distances. We tow things. We camp in the woods. We run generators.
EVs are not up to those tasks and likely never will be.
There are millions of years of energy baked into fossil fuels.
Batteries are viewed as disposable items...for a reason!
Don't fall for the gaslighting. It's been going on for 25 years now...the first Prius came out in 1997. Evs STILL only make up a very meager amount of sales in the USA because people simply don't want them. They are too expensive and provide worse functionality than gas!
Where’s all the lithium going to come from for our vehicles?
Lithium for Tesla, EVs, batteries: Touring Silver Peak, Nevada
Lithium for Tesla, EVs, batteries: Touring Silver Peak, Nevada
bigwheelzip
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Okay. Let's skip this namby pamby passenger vehicle stuff and go right to a "real man's" hybrid electric vehicle.
Allison Transmission has designed a hybrid powertrain for the new Infantry Fighting Vehicle which is capable of use in the 70-ton Main Battle Tank class.
Allison Transmission Introduces the eGen Force™ Electric Hybrid Propulsion System for Armored Combat Vehicles
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Allison Transmission has designed a hybrid powertrain for the new Infantry Fighting Vehicle which is capable of use in the 70-ton Main Battle Tank class.
Allison Transmission Introduces the eGen Force™ Electric Hybrid Propulsion System for Armored Combat Vehicles
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My guess is the corporations spending billions to build the cars have a source.
Send the Girl Scouts for that endeavor as anything heavier would be overkill.
2 hybrids here - 2018 Chevy Volt and a 2021 F150 Powerboost. Wife has pretty much absconded with the Volt. It suits her driving patterns well. Fully charged, the Volt is 64 miles on EV summer and around 38 miles EV in the winter. A long drive for her is 25-30 miles daily. So fuel tank remains untouched most of the time. Volt charges from 0 to 100% on 240v 40A charger in 4.5 hours. Really only charges at 3.6kw which ends up being 15-16A on 240v. Probably adds $50/mo to the power bill.
The Powerboost averages around 19mpg, which is 5mpg better than my past 3 trucks (Raptors). On 20k miles driven, 2,500 miles were EV only (battery) so about 10-11% of total. Grocery getting, around town driving, possible to get 25mpg if all driving is under 35mph.
At freeway speeds - 80mph - there is zero savings. Over 65mph, ICE power is more efficient than EV power.
I cancelled my Cybertruck and Lightning pre-orders as neither is ready for prime time.
I can power my house with my Powerboost during a blackout. Huge feature. While the same will be possible with a Lightning, I have serious range anxiety thinking of even light towing with an EV truck. Read that a Lightning towing an EMPTY trailer lost nearly 50% of its range.
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JJEH
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You mean the government who's giving billions of our taxes to those companies so they can spend it? Of course they have a source, through backdoor deals.
No, I actually said what I meant.
You don't get something for nothing.......Perpetual Motion machines have been proven not to work.
Yep...picture a C-130 powered by electric motors. After you pack it full of batteries it will have room left for the in-flight lunches.
Not their business. Dang Nannies.
len917
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Every new thing in due time. We can't be forced into something unproven.
When the automobile was invented did they not allow horses any more.
No-they let it takes its course until all people were ready for an auto. They could have banned hay and forced you into buying a car you couldn't afford, but they didn't and it worked out.
When the automobile was invented did they not allow horses any more.
No-they let it takes its course until all people were ready for an auto. They could have banned hay and forced you into buying a car you couldn't afford, but they didn't and it worked out.
What if the auto industry just ignores naysayers and keeps building and selling more and more EVs?
venomballistics
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until they address the storage problem, they'll build all they want. sell ... not so much.
Your numbers are probably a bit off. I drove my E-85 truck on a long-distance (600 miles) road trip a while back, using E-85 one way and regular gas on the return. I recorded the amount of fuel used, the cost of each fuel, and the gas mileage obtained. Then I calculated the cost per mile. Scientific? No, but realistic.
As stated per the owner's manual, the E-85, while cheaper, produces lower mileage but at a reduced cost. the cost per mile drive for both fuels was only 3-4 cents different, and I cannot recall which was the cheaper per mile. The only reasons I do not regularly use E-85 are because it is not readily available at every gas station and I'd need to fuel up more often. But the mileage obtained was far greater than "half."
