All 4473s are registration forms

[Old TexMex]

All that, and the paper trail that was laid through purchase would be open to the defense and public scrutiny. That might show the files and the process with which those files were accessed. And the individuals whose names appear on those files. The serial numbers and the names.
Tangled web those 4473s are.

 

[Muss Muggins]

The men who allegedly killed Agent Brian Terry will go to trial shortly. Jury selection has begun. The Judge has ruled that the source of their weapons will not be allowed to enter into the evidence or testimony. Wonder why?

Because it's not an element of the crime . . .

 

[ladder13]

One thing's for sure, registration will lead to confiscation.


Man told can't have gramp's M1 as it?s an 'assault firearm'

 

[ClayCow]

One thing's for sure, registration will lead to confiscation.


Man told can't have gramp's M1 as it?s an 'assault firearm'

Quite misconstruing it. It was illegal to possess to start and he was already breaking the law. Most ofmy guns I buy new, I can easily say I sold it. I guess they could ransack my place.

But that does auck for that guy! Cops will probably place it in their collection

 

[Old TexMex]

Because it's not an element of the crime . . .

That isn't the reason the Judge gave. Do you have some info I haven't been given? (Scratch that question, it's dumb, sorry)
edit:
You're correct Muss, I won't argue that, the judge did agree to the prosecution requests, and the origin of the weapons aren't at issue, the tracing therefore not necessary. If charges were brought framed in such a way as to involve the alleged killers as part of an illegal conspiracy then way to much information would be open to discovery. That's why I bring it up in this thread about the "paper trail".

 

[Practical]

Simply scanning the forms or actually recording the person filling out the form and streaming this image to a image processing software can easily create a electronic data base of every gun stored. Image to text transfer from scanned image or even video of reasonable quality is extremely accurate today...

 

[ClayCow]

Simply scanning the forms or actually recording the person filling out the form and streaming this image to a image processing software can easily create a electronic data base of every gun stored. Image to text transfer from scanned image or even video of reasonable quality is extremely accurate today...

No. Try this software and then come back

 

[LostintheOzone]

The NICS check is based off of the stuff you provide in 4473 isnt it? Its bern a while but Im pretty sure i did it digitally on base and at bass pro shops

Cabelas has you enter the data into a computer. It's a simple form that can be loaded on any desk top, laptop or tablet. No hard copy anywhere friends, just digital data. Of course you can generate hard copy if you want but it's just killing trees. Welcome to the 21st century.

 

[Watchdog]

You keep saying that no gun information is ever provided during a background check, just buyer info. I can tell you that in Tennessee, which is a point of contact state, the FFL must provide the following information to TBI to get an approval number on the background check.

The social security number of the purchaser, if one has been assigned...

The purchaser's social security number is not required on the 4473.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The purchaser's social security number is not required on the 4473.

You're right. Nor does TBI.

 

[hatt]

It still has to get into the database somehow. They can scan the forms, but due to poor copy quality and variances in hand writing there isn't an OCR program in the world that will accurately translate all those hand written forms into searchable text. Sure its all in the digitized archives, as scanned images that have to be read by HUMANS to find specific info.

The only way to reliably digitize all the data into a searchable format is to hand-enter all the info. As others have already said, the BATF doesn't have the manpower - or the resources to hire the manpower - to even begin to tackle that.

We've had machines to read handwriting for decades. How do you think the mail gets delivered. Digitizing the forms into searchable data would be a simple undertaking for .fed.