Hi, new to the forum,and thought I would start off by giving a recommendation. For years I had used Butchs' Bore Shine and Sweets to get rid of copper and lead fouling on my fire arms. I am now using Bore Tech Eliminator. It is more expensive than the others but I wont use anything else. After cleaning a rifle barrel with Butch's and following up with Sweets until the patches came out clean, I ran a patch with Bore Tech through the barrel and the patch came out bright blue.I continued the cleaning with it and removed the fouling better than anything I have used. It has no smell, and it wont harm the metal in any way. Try it, I dont think you will be disappointed. I got mine from midwayusa.com I am sold on this stuff, and I dont have any interest in the company at all