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Second Question: As a contractor, who here would enter some yahoo's house,, that you don't know from Adam,, without your CCW ?
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Second Question: As a contractor, who here would enter some yahoo's house,, that you don't know from Adam,, without your CCW ?
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To quote George Carlin. "Who is an UNKNOWN person? Surly everyone is known to someone"
Second Question: As a contractor, who here would enter some yahoo's house,, that you don't know from Adam,, without your CCW ?
I did,for years.Met a few weirdos too and I learned how to handle them lol.
"House rules" trump all others in my castle. Armed folks are welcome if I know and trust them. Others only if with someone I know who vouches for them. Responsible conceal carry folks I never know about because they don't flash it around, I value 2A, but also value my own judgement and opinions, which may not agree with yours. At my place, my discretion rules. I will respect that at other establishments as well. I have left or avoided situations where I was not comfortable with house rules, and that could be either way, allowing or restricting open or concealed carry. As with any right we are afforded, having the wisdom to exercise it wisely is somewhat assumed, and is certainly interpreted and implemented differently by different people. Good judgement and common sense are the key to responsible exercise of any/all rights we are afforded.
To the original post: My judgement would likely not prompt me to hire a stranger on FB to come into my house to begin with, armed or unarmed. Someone bonded/insured, likely welcome, either way.
To the original post: My judgement would likely not prompt me to hire a stranger on FB to come into my house to begin with, armed or unarmed. Someone bonded/insured, likely welcome, either way.
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Question is "who here would let an unknown contractor into YOUR home armed". Implication is you would be home to "let" them in
I agree about being moot.
Unless you can verify that someone isn't armed, then all you are doing is pretending that they might not be which is rather pointless.
Though if you are worried about the mere sight of a gun as Bam-Bam describes, that's another matter. The handwringing and hoplophobia over the mere sight of a gun has been beat to death in OC threads.
Bill I believe it would be your wife's decision!!! LOL
(that's what you get for posting pics of the Misses)
What????
Are you referring to my comments about catering staff at "my party"being openly armed..... and the impression I want to present to my guests.
Or the Orkin Man?....cus I've never seen a Contractor open Carry around the Burgh...... and seeing one at my door might give me pause. For decades there have been stories of home invasions/robberies by "meter readers" etc.
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The constitution stops at my front door. You do not have the right to anything that the homeowner doesn't approve of in his home. If somebody wants to start holding up anti-abortion signs in my driveway I have a right to kick them out. You're not burning a flag on my property either. Screw your first amendment rights to do so.
A mans home is his castle. Respect HIS rules, not yours. So if some whack job Neo-Nazi does not want me in his home because I have black friends, then that's fine. It's HIS house.
At the very LEAST, anybody carrying should have the decency to inform the homeowner that they are. Wasn't there a thread on here not long ago about leaving a gun in a bathroom when you left it? So my 10 year old can stumble upon your gun that you forgot to put back on when you dropped a deuce? No thanks. What the hell ever happened to respecting private property? I ask people if they would like me to take my shoes off when I come into their home.
A mans home is his castle. Respect HIS rules, not yours. So if some whack job Neo-Nazi does not want me in his home because I have black friends, then that's fine. It's HIS house.
At the very LEAST, anybody carrying should have the decency to inform the homeowner that they are. Wasn't there a thread on here not long ago about leaving a gun in a bathroom when you left it? So my 10 year old can stumble upon your gun that you forgot to put back on when you dropped a deuce? No thanks. What the hell ever happened to respecting private property? I ask people if they would like me to take my shoes off when I come into their home.
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I'm not going to post a third party's photo on this forum with out their consent.
She's around 25 YO, petite, brunette, good figure, heavily tattoo'd from the neck down with a nose ring. Appears to be clean and works as a server at a local restaurant (some costumer service skills)
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I'm not opposed to open carry, but don't believe it is a good idea.
It makes the uninformed nervous.
Most people are obvious. If they can't see it. What they don't know about won't hurt them and they don't worry about.
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So, if a police officer comes to my front door, I can ask him to leave his firearm in the car and wipe his feet before he comes in ?
Sorry just couldn't resist...
( I have a friend that is a old school retired cop. He believes he should be able to carry. But sometimes / most the time, not sure that others should. We've had a few long discussions regarding the issue ,,
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Bill I believe it would be your wife's decision!!! LOL
(that's what you get for posting pics of the Misses)
Never a problem, she is a good judge of the fairer sex and would have no problem with what the young lady might be pack'in. Printing would not be a problem.
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I concede your points about private property,and I even support property rights as being most important. My point is this: now that we both agree that you have a right to decide who comes in your home, this particular situation is a great litmus test for whether your truly believe in freedom for other Americans and not just yourself. There is no difference, either conceptual or practical, between trusting an Armed American at the mall near your family or on your own property. Either the lady is trustworthy with her gun, or she isn't. Either you believe Americans should be allowed to carry or you don't. And if the answer is 'not in my home', which you have every right to say, then it reveals that you really don't want other Americans armed anywhere, it's just that the only place you have a right to enforce your beliefs is your own home. This is why it's a great litmus test for whether someone really truly values freedom and rights not just for oneself, but for all.
Let me share the thought process that lead to this discussion.
As I said I saw the original post on FB. I jumped in and cautioned the woman against taking the job in the first place (If she was fat and ugly maybe I wouldn't have) she said "It's OK I Open carry"
I thought to myself "What? You're just going to show up open carrying and assume He's going to be OK with it? Who does that?
I asked her what if she shows and the homeowner says "No"? to which she replied "Then I decline to work the event." which to me is totally unprofessional. You show up at the door and throw a last minute condition at the guy and tell him if he doesn't accept it you're going to leave him hanging?
Then I thought "What would I do if someone did that to me?" It turns out that to me the gun wasn't the deciding factor where the contractor came from was.
The Orkin Man is someone that is licensed, bonded and insured and working out of an established business. The bartender woman was some random stranger from an Internet website where at least once a month someone posts that they did business with someone on the site that either ripped them of or literally robbed them. As I said earlier she could show up in handcuffs with a police escort and she's not coming in my house
As I said I saw the original post on FB. I jumped in and cautioned the woman against taking the job in the first place (If she was fat and ugly maybe I wouldn't have) she said "It's OK I Open carry"
I thought to myself "What? You're just going to show up open carrying and assume He's going to be OK with it? Who does that?
I asked her what if she shows and the homeowner says "No"? to which she replied "Then I decline to work the event." which to me is totally unprofessional. You show up at the door and throw a last minute condition at the guy and tell him if he doesn't accept it you're going to leave him hanging?
Then I thought "What would I do if someone did that to me?" It turns out that to me the gun wasn't the deciding factor where the contractor came from was.
The Orkin Man is someone that is licensed, bonded and insured and working out of an established business. The bartender woman was some random stranger from an Internet website where at least once a month someone posts that they did business with someone on the site that either ripped them of or literally robbed them. As I said earlier she could show up in handcuffs with a police escort and she's not coming in my house
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A general question, is a concealed carry permit required to open carry in CO? If so, is she any less qualified to carry openly than anyone else in the state?
Specifically, does the person in question have a resume, references, training certifications? (Not that Smoke would know, since he is not the one potentially hiring the person in question.)
Personally, I would not be in the situation of hiring a bartender, but I suspect an interview prior to hiring her might be in order. I find you can tell a lot about people by speaking with them.
Specifically, does the person in question have a resume, references, training certifications? (Not that Smoke would know, since he is not the one potentially hiring the person in question.)
Personally, I would not be in the situation of hiring a bartender, but I suspect an interview prior to hiring her might be in order. I find you can tell a lot about people by speaking with them
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I have no issue with anyone I trust carrying open or concealed including in my house.
Would you trust the police in your house? If I don't trust them, they aren't coming in with or without a gun.
Do those of you who wouldn't allow ppl in expect to be allowed to carry at a theatre/mall/restaurant/etc? Do expect others to be afforded the same right? Do you bring your family there?
A business is private property too.
Would you trust the police in your house? If I don't trust them, they aren't coming in with or without a gun.
Do those of you who wouldn't allow ppl in expect to be allowed to carry at a theatre/mall/restaurant/etc? Do expect others to be afforded the same right? Do you bring your family there?
A business is private property too.
You just described KBM6893 to a "T"
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This situation has nothing to do with her right to carry vs a homeowner's decision not to let her carry in the situation described.......See my post #38.......and Smoke's post #55.
I'm not assuming liability for someone I don't even know......... her carrying anywhere else doesn't place that burden on me!
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Well said. Whole bunch of hypocrites here who'd argue that business owners don't get the same say at their businesses as they get at home. The line gets even fuzzier when the business owner lives at their place of business.
Generally though, if you don't want someone to disarm you, don't disarm others.
Agreed also.
I really wouldn't care if she bartended with a pistol on her hip. Not at all.
Most of the people who I'd ask to a party would probably spend half the evening bothering her and asking what kind of pistol she has in the holster, where she trains, if she knows [x] and [y] at such and such a range, is she any good? etc. Haha.
And a few tee totalers who never drink would probably drop her at the first sign of any real threat caused by her.
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