Jack Flash
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Would you intervene or step back and call 911 then wait for the cavalry to arrive?
Customer shoots store attacker in Holland | WOODTV.com
Customer shoots store attacker in Holland | WOODTV.com
Armed Customer Halts Violent Attack in Party Store - Would You Intervene?
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Ozark Marine
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A man beating up a woman, yes I would.
Two men fighting and I don't know them, may the best man win.
It's probably a good thing the woman has bruises on her face and hopefully also a video camera in the store. Always a chance she tells the LEO's the guy with the gun attacked her boyfriend for no reason.
Two men fighting and I don't know them, may the best man win.
It's probably a good thing the woman has bruises on her face and hopefully also a video camera in the store. Always a chance she tells the LEO's the guy with the gun attacked her boyfriend for no reason.
bigwheelzip
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An altercation between adults, without seeing a deadly weapon used. I'm just calling 911.
Yes. But only on my terms. Ask any cop how dangerous it can be.
To blindly intervene is foolish.
To blindly intervene is foolish.
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Jack Flash
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Yes there is a video. Apparently it confirms the armed vet's story.
The assailant had a long RAP sheet, not to mention outstanding warrants, but with today's courts he may be back on the street as soon as he gets out of the hospital. Hope the vet gets his gun back before then.
The assailant had a long RAP sheet, not to mention outstanding warrants, but with today's courts he may be back on the street as soon as he gets out of the hospital. Hope the vet gets his gun back before then.
Ask your self what you would want someone to do if that was your wife or daughter being beaten down.
Seeing how police response time at best is several minutes, that's a lot of physical damage that would be inflicted on an innocent person before it is stopped. Of course I would jump in.
Seeing how police response time at best is several minutes, that's a lot of physical damage that would be inflicted on an innocent person before it is stopped. Of course I would jump in.
ChiefStealth
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It doesn't take any effort to say "hey... stop doing that". At that point its up to the BG. If he stops.. great. If he turns on me.. he made a bad decision.
This whole incident, over a girlfriend? I do not understand. Even when I was young, and dumb, and full of xxx. I would not have risked anything for a girlfriend.
This whole incident, over a girlfriend? I do not understand. Even when I was young, and dumb, and full of xxx. I would not have risked anything for a girlfriend.
Absalom
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This pretty much sums it up.
I have little use for macho types who see their CCW as a license to play hero, but there is such a thing as basic human decency. A fight is one thing; a guy assaulting a woman clerk is quite another, and if the difference is obvious, of course I'd try to intervene. What are you going to do, call 911 and then stand outside and watch through the window as the guy beats her to a pulp? Is it risky to go in and tell him to stop? Sure, but so is crossing the street; you could get hit by a dump truck.
Life is dark and full of horrors, and you can come up with wonderful excuses and rationalizations why it may not be prudent to go in. But I think that vet just knew what it means to be a good citizen.
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The location appears to be a convenience store.
I wasn't there and am not about to second-guess the decision of the CPL holder. However, if the victim stated she was clearly in fear of losing her life it certainly supports his decision to intervene. In other situations (or locations) I could see how things could go very wrong for the good Samaritan, legally or physically.
I wasn't there and am not about to second-guess the decision of the CPL holder. However, if the victim stated she was clearly in fear of losing her life it certainly supports his decision to intervene. In other situations (or locations) I could see how things could go very wrong for the good Samaritan, legally or physically.
Intervening in a domestic dispute is not a great idea. You may find yourself attacked by the apparent "victim . . . "
That often happens in law enforcement and I'm sure most cops have a story about that, I know I do. With only the information in the article to go by I think the good Samaritan will be ok, however.
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Absalom
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While that is correct from an LEO point of view, it appears irrelevant here discussing the Good Samaritan's actions. Given the frequency of convenience store robberies, if he looked into the store and saw the clerk bring assaulted by the guy, a "domestic dispute" would be fairly low on the list of likely scenarios.
Whitwabit
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I would think as he walked up and saw the fight he would more likely think a possible robbery was occur rather then something else unless he knew the other two people involved ..
I'm not a big macho man but there are certain times in your life when you need to do what is right .. it would be very hard for me to stand and watch a women being beaten by a man .. if it was my wife I would hope someone would intervene and help her !!
I'm not a big macho man but there are certain times in your life when you need to do what is right .. it would be very hard for me to stand and watch a women being beaten by a man .. if it was my wife I would hope someone would intervene and help her !!
THE PILGRIM
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A while back a Legal concealed carry guy shot a dude in a Walmart.
This guy jumped over the deli counter and started stabbing his estranged wife.
The CC guy pulled his piece, yelled warnings to stop the stabbing and then shot.
There were several third party non involved witnesses.
They all told the police the same thing- that if the stabber had not been shot when he was he would have killed the woman.
This guy jumped over the deli counter and started stabbing his estranged wife.
The CC guy pulled his piece, yelled warnings to stop the stabbing and then shot.
There were several third party non involved witnesses.
They all told the police the same thing- that if the stabber had not been shot when he was he would have killed the woman.
StakeOut
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Always watch your 6 when thinking about playing hero or doing some other foolish half thought out thing.
Get your back to the nearest wall and then dial 911
Get your back to the nearest wall and then dial 911
Retired LTC USAR
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Between two males, yeah. Between a male and female.......if you call 911, by the time police arrive, it will be to late.
What if the person being assaulted was you when you were unable to protect yourself for what ever reason? Would you just want us to call 911?
7shooter
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I intervened once when I was leaving a meeting and heard what sounded like someone hitting the ground hard in the parking lot . I then saw a very large thug dressed like a pimp out of central casting beating a woman dressed like a hooker. He had a flashy custom Cadillac parked there. I confronted him and told him to leave the woman alone whereupon she started screaming at me to leave him alone. If it came to it she would have been a witness for him not me. I was unarmed at the time.
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keith44spl
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Well, let's see here........
"One of the customers left the store and called 911. But before officers arrived, a customer who lives nearby stepped in.
Officers said when the customer tried to intervene, the suspect attacked him. The customer told police the suspect tried to grab his gun – that's when he shot the attacker twice."
It's always a stickety wickety situation,
If I were a regular customer and kinda knew the female employee at the 'one stop kwik sack'
and witnessed her being attacked and did not raise a finger to stop it....What the hell kinda man would I be?
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"One of the customers left the store and called 911. But before officers arrived, a customer who lives nearby stepped in.
Officers said when the customer tried to intervene, the suspect attacked him. The customer told police the suspect tried to grab his gun – that's when he shot the attacker twice."
It's always a stickety wickety situation,
If I were a regular customer and kinda knew the female employee at the 'one stop kwik sack'
and witnessed her being attacked and did not raise a finger to stop it....What the hell kinda man would I be?
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blues7
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Different scenario but tonight my wife and I were picking up some dinner to bring home from town. As I pull into the parking area she sees what she thinks are multiple young adults beating someone on the ground.
I asked her for the cell phone and told her to stay in the vehicle. My intention was to tell them I was calling 911 and break it up.
As it turned out, when I got close enough I saw that the "victims" on the ground were youngsters being "preyed upon" by some older young adults and it was all in jest (from what I could see).
I closed the phone, turned and walked back to the 4Runner. I was armed. Nobody was hurt.
I asked her for the cell phone and told her to stay in the vehicle. My intention was to tell them I was calling 911 and break it up.
As it turned out, when I got close enough I saw that the "victims" on the ground were youngsters being "preyed upon" by some older young adults and it was all in jest (from what I could see).
I closed the phone, turned and walked back to the 4Runner. I was armed. Nobody was hurt.
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