bobbed hammer

[BLUEDOT37]

That's an accident waiting to happen. GARY.

Not if you're coordinated. You could just as easily slip(?) even if it had a spur, right?

Besides, aren't you pointing the gun down range whenever you cock it, no matter how you cock it, when it's loaded?

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[Pahoo]

Have you shot your new gun yet? Other than dry firing?

After inserting loaded mag, when you rack the slide to chamber 1st round, and safety is off, it will immediately be ready to fire in single action (hammer cocked) mode. Each subsequent shot will also be in single action mode until mag is empty. Then slide locks back, you insert another mag, boomarang slide to chamber first round, repeat, repeat, repeat. You could literally shoot 1000 rounds at the range, with every single shot in single action (hammer cocked) mode...without ever manually cocking the hammer (by trigger staging), or having to pull through a full double action trigger.

Now...when you insert mag, and chamber 1st round, and safety is ON, it will chamber round and drop hammer (de-cock) putting gun in double action mode. First pull is long DA, next and all subsequent shots will be in single action. You are only having first shot in DA mode when you are carrying weapon (this gun designed for concealed carry...so spur cannot catch on hem of shirt, etc). That long DA pull is the "safety" really...as many of of us carry the gun in DA mode with safety "off" (use as decocker only). If at the range, and in de-cocked mode, you can keep gun pointed down range and stage trigger and cock hammer as you mentioned. No problem doing that, would be hard to "accidentally" pull through full DA. BUT...it's good to practice that DA pull, as that is how you would normally use the gun in defensive situation; 1st shot DA / follow up shots SA.

Thanks, I'm familiar with the gun. Just wanted to see if I liked it better with a spurred hammer.

 

[Pahoo]

The (first) long trigger pull (hammer down) is the double action pull.

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Do people find it hard to lightly squeeze the trigger, just enough, to raise the hammer up slightly, exposing the ridges on the top of the bobbed hammer, then fully cocking it using your thumb?

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Sorry, "SA" was a typo.

 

[therealsmithfan]

Thanks, I'm familiar with the gun. Just wanted to see if I liked it better with a spurred hammer.

Gotcha. Didn't mean to insult, but wasn't sure if you were familiar with traditional DA/SA function. Lots of folks these days grew up on striker fired like Glocks, etc., and don't understand the "reasons" behind DA/SA as well as differences. I like spur hammers for target shooting and range guns, and spurless for carry. Although I do carry my walther PPK, but it has that rounded spur type, that is less prone to catch on stuff. See pic. This is nice compromise IMHO between spur vs no spur.

 

[N4KVE]

After inserting loaded mag, when you rack the slide to chamber 1st round, and safety is off, it will immediately be ready to fire in single action (hammer cocked) mode. Each subsequent shot will also be in single action mode until mag is empty. Then slide locks back, you insert another mag, boomarang slide to chamber first round, repeat, repeat, repeat. You could literally shoot 1000 rounds at the range, with every single shot in single action (hammer cocked) mode...without ever manually cocking the hammer (by trigger staging), or having to pull through a full double action trigger.

What about in the real world? It's 3am, my wife, & I are asleep in bed, & I hear a noise in the living room. My wife is next to me, & nobody else is living in my home. I grab my 469, & it already has one in the chamber, but the hammer is down. I want that hammer back for a single action first shot, but with all the excitement, I do NOT feel good with pulling the trigger enough to grab the hammer to cock it, & possible shoot myself in the foot. This will not happen with me, because I installed a 459 hammer in my gun, & can safely cock it as I look for the dirt bag who broke into my house. So the problem is not at the range when racking the slide to shoot the first round. The problem is in the real world when the gun already has one in the pipe, & the hammer needs to be cocked. I have already "repaired" my 3913, 4516, & 469. GARY

 

[Muss Muggins]

Photos tell the tale.....

"Bobbed" is simply just a hammer with the "spur" removed rendering SA/DA gun to DAO.

Thus making the hammer "spurless . . . "

 

[therealsmithfan]

What about in the real world? It's 3am, my wife, & I are asleep in bed, & I hear a noise in the living room. My wife is next to me, & nobody else is living in my home. I grab my 469, & it already has one in the chamber, but the hammer is down. I want that hammer back for a single action first shot, but with all the excitement, I do NOT feel good with pulling the trigger enough to grab the hammer to cock it, & possible shoot myself in the foot. This will not happen with me, because I installed a 459 hammer in my gun, & can safely cock it as I look for the dirt bag who broke into my house. So the problem is not at the range when racking the slide to shoot the first round. The problem is in the real world when the gun already has one in the pipe, & the hammer needs to be cocked. I have already "repaired" my 3913, 4516, & 469.
GARY

As I noted....spurless for carry, spurred for target and range.
should have added "night stand" to the latter. But if I only had one pistol for everything, I'd still go with spurless. Would rather have to shoot a BG in my house with DA first shot, than worry about spur hanging up on my clothing with IWB holster. But for me, it's my mossberg 500 18" pump shotgun with green laser (no sights needed) and #7 buck by my bed. I live in condo with neighbors on other side of walls...so over penetration is a concern for handgun home defense.

 

[N4KVE]

But for me, it's my mossberg 500 18" pump shotgun

Got one too. Picked it up used, but until last year, it sat in a prison gun rack since 1986. GARY

 

[Pahoo]

What about in the real world? It's 3am, my wife, & I are asleep in bed, & I hear a noise in the living room. My wife is next to me, & nobody else is living in my home. I grab my 469, & it already has one in the chamber, but the hammer is down. I want that hammer back for a single action first shot, but with all the excitement, I do NOT feel good with pulling the trigger enough to grab the hammer to cock it, & possible shoot myself in the foot. This will not happen with me, because I installed a 459 hammer in my gun, & can safely cock it as I look for the dirt bag who broke into my house. So the problem is not at the range when racking the slide to shoot the first round. The problem is in the real world when the gun already has one in the pipe, & the hammer needs to be cocked. I have already "repaired" my 3913, 4516, & 469. GARY

That's what I'm talking about.
Also, when I wrote "bobbed" I meant a shortened, rounded hammer spur, as opposed to a true "spur". The 6904 has a "spurless" hammer. Maybe my nomenclature is off. It's a matter of semantics, I guess.

 

[TercGen]

In general, I believe that most people view bobbed and spurless as the same thing. One advantage of cocking a spurred hammer vs. a spurless is that the firing pin safety is still in place, since the trigger is not being depressed.

I personally am on the other side of the fence, as I do not like spurred hammers on my 3rd Gens. As a matter of fact, I've ground the spurs off of a number of my S&W 3rd Gen 9mm's, including a few 5906 variants that get used for home protection.

Snagging the hammer spur is a concern, but mainly I don't want to be adding another step in my muscle memory when changing my pistol from safe to fire. I could see myself desperately trying to cock the hammer on a gun with the safety still down if I was stressed out. IMO it's better to practice the first DAO shot and become accurate with that than relying on cocking the hammer for all shots. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[therealsmithfan]

Sounds like NK4VE and TercGen should have gotten together and traded some hammers
Would have saved Gary from buying all those new spurred hammers, and TercGen could have saved the wear and tear on the grinding wheel! Hehe.

Seriously though, isn't it great that there are enough shared parts within the 3rd gens to allow for this kind of inexpensive customization, that allows us to make our pistols just like we want them? Not surprising, that some folks want hammers on everything, and others prefered bobbed. I actually find practicing first shots with DA fun...and adds challenge to range time. Our indoor range is 50' shooting only (for specific reasons). I always challenge myself to empty a magazine on target, starting with DA first shot...without getting that flier that stands out from the rest of the group. Don't do it often, but almost always within 8" or so of center on that first hit. DA's not bad on most 3rd gens, but that short and sweet SA pull, and tiny re-set, make it seem worse than it is by comparison.