Circle K is "Unsafe Zone"

[FTG-05]

A previous poster had the right idea...concealed, low profile, ignore the signs. Worst case scenario you'll be asked to leave. Probably not a good idea to do that in a Post Office, though.
Bob

No, the previous poster was entirely wrong. This isn't a debate on concealed carry vs. open carry (i.e. the "concealed means concealed" ******). This is an issue of our 2nd amendment rights.

The OP is entirely correct in his assessment. He won't shop there and he's going to push it with corporate and let them know what the consequences of the "target rich" environment are. As well he should. As well we all should. Starve them out of business or change their minds, their choice.

 

[OLDFED]

I haven't noticed any "NO GUNS" signs anywhere I go. If I did, I'd assume it meant that they didn't sell guns there which is fine because all I wanted was a cup of coffee.

 

[Seneca]

An organization of legal gun owners in Michigan publishes a running total of CPL holders every month in their newsletter. Last count was pushing 270,000.
If I were a company with a " No Firearms" sign in my window, I would be saying " No thanks " to the business of over a QUARTER OF A MILLION Michigan citizens! Please, Mr. No Firearms Allowed bussinessman, don't let me hear you complain about the " economic times " being tough; you deserve it.

 

[Black_Sheep]

I don't know what Florida "no gun" signage requirements are but in Minnesota the sign previously posted would not comply with state law. In all honesty I have carry in places that are posted, mainly because it was a very bad area and the potential of having my vehicle broken into negated leaving my firearm behind.

 

[Stophel]

When you step into a post office, you are entering corporate Washington, D.C. property, and no longer in the State you were in just a few feet away.

 

[richb4life]

July 26, 2011

Today I stopped at the Circle K at the intersection of Interstate 10 and SR 281, just west of Pensacola, Florida.

I noticed a "No Guns" sign in the window. I dutifully disarmed myself, and went in to ask about the sign. I asked the assistant manager if this was local or corporate policy.

I was told that it was corporate policy and was, "for our protection". I told myself that it was not "protection", but a "target-rich" environment.

I told the assistant manager that her sign told me that I was not welcome in the store, and would not do business there anymore (or until the sign was removed). I did tell her I would contact the corporate office in Phoenix, Arizona, and let them know that I was no-longer a Circle K customer.

Fountain E. Conner

I was asked to leave a circle k at

July 26, 2011

Today I stopped at the Circle K at the intersection of Interstate 10 and SR 281, just west of Pensacola, Florida.

I noticed a "No Guns" sign in the window. I dutifully disarmed myself, and went in to ask about the sign. I asked the assistant manager if this was local or corporate policy.

I was told that it was corporate policy and was, "for our protection". I told myself that it was not "protection", but a "target-rich" environment.

I told the assistant manager that her sign told me that I was not welcome in the store, and would not do business there anymore (or until the sign was removed). I did tell her I would contact the corporate office in Phoenix, Arizona, and let them know that I was no-longer a Circle K customer.

Fountain E. Conner

I was asked to leave the circle k at 27th avenue and Glendale because I had a holstered firearm. They didn't have ice or Arizona iced tea so I told them they had a ****ty store anyway. They got mad and photographed my vehicle like I was dangerous

 

[rwsmith]

In Oklahoma a private property/business owner has the right to detemine whether or not a CCW is welcome in their place of business. If they post a sign saying guns are not welcome by whatever means they so choose... ya gotta honor their right. I think it's kinda like saying "Thieves are Welcome Here".

Who is the business owner in a Circle K store? Is it an individual or the Circle K company???

Oh, and I suppose anybody looking to cause trouble will leave their guns at home before they knock over the Circle K.

 

[CyberPunkSpartan]

Who is the business owner in a Circle K store? Is it an individual or the Circle K company???

Oh, and I suppose anybody looking to cause trouble will leave their guns at home before they knock over the Circle K.

This thread is 13 years old.

 

[Leonard]

This from handgunlaw.us ....

"No Firearm" signs in Florida have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is specifically mentioned in State Law as being off limits to those with a Permit/License to Carry.

CORRECT IF A POSTED PROPERTY HAS A NO GUN SIGN AND THEY REALIZE YOUR CARRYING THEY HAVE TO ASK YOU TO LEAVE, IF YOU DO NOT THEY CALL THE POLICE AND YOU CAN BE ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING

 

[Smoke]

Am I the only one that noticed that this discussion started 14 years ago?

 

[pantannojack]

USPS took their sign down in my area. Something about declared unconstitutional. The private business property business can do what they want but I doubt anything legal could happen to you if caught other than told to leave and not come back. Seemingly no criminals get charged for crimes anymore.

 

[biku324]

Circle K changed hands in 2015, 4 years after the OP. It's now owned by a Can-Am corporation, Alimentation Couche-Tard, and is highly profitable worldwide.

 

[Smoke]

About 17 years ago in california I knew the owner of a circle K down the street. He shot a guy he thought was armed but wasnt. (didnt kill him) He claimed he thought the guy was robbing him and had pointed a gun at him through his pocket. No witness`s. He went to jail, bankrupt and his wife divoriced him.

It's nice they listed Feral Merrill as an Absent Comrade.

 

[Smoke]

I was asked to leave a circle k at

I was asked to leave the circle k at 27th avenue and Glendale because I had a holstered firearm. They didn't have ice or Arizona iced tea so I told them they had a ****ty store anyway. They got mad and photographed my vehicle like I was dangerous

The Poster's been a member here for like 3 days. He has one post and it's in a 14-year-old thread.

 

[MP-5]

Unsafe alright

TPD: Searching for three suspected Circle K robbers

TPD: Searching for three suspected Circle K robbers

Tucson Police Department is searching for a suspected robber and his associates who may have robbed a Circle K.

www.kgun9.com

Tucson Police Department is searching for a suspected robber and his associates who may have robbed a Circle K.

 

[BillyMagg]

I have three of them I inspect 2X a year, and have not noticed any signs here in KY. I'll have to pay closer attention when I go in one.

So the Army silver LTC insignia, looks much the same as USAF LTC

 

[sousana]

In VA, the most a shop owner can do if you enter a posted business is ask you to leave and or trespass you. Courts and fed buildings are different animals. When I go to work in the ER. I make a stop in the security office and leave my weapon in a keyed gun locker. Metal detectors at all entrances.

 

[Telecaster]

I would have asked, with my 20-20 hindsight, "What does the sign protect you from?" If the employees' mouth starts gaping like a brook trout, I might add, "Do criminals obey signs?"

 

[John in Yuma]

I once knew a guy who was going to Rob a convenience store. When he got there he saw their "NO FIREARMS" sign and had to change his mind.

FAKE! Didn't really happen. Never. Anywhere.

 

[Benton Quest]

It's a 14 year old post. The OP is most likely dead.

 

[Major 2]

Unless you are in an area prohibited by Florida law from carrying a firearm there, ignoring the sign is not against the law. However, if the owner of the store sees or knows that you have a gun, and asks you to leave, you must. Otherwise you can be charged with criminal tresspass.

That's my understanding, sometime back a favorite restaurant. posted a NO GUNS sign.
This a local favorite and local family owned (the Owner had died several years ago and the daughter and SIL took up the management) in s Sm. to Med size town in the WDW shadow.
Locals fell off, business suffered... the sign came down.

shows to go ya ! with a NO GUNS policy, a favored local place will shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[Telecaster]

It's a 14 year old post. The OP is most likely dead.

Given the average age of this forum's members, you're probably right.

 

[Smoke]

So the Army silver LTC insignia, looks much the same as USAF LTC

So does the Marine lieutenant colonel insignia and Navy Commander insignia

 

[Pisgah]

I fail to see how your actions will in any way improve Circle K's behavior. What you should have done is keep quiet... and carry every time you walk through the door. Concealed is concealed; until you squawked, I'll bet no one would have looked at you twice...

 

[Tony Tiger]

When asked if I have a gun, the answer is no. I have two, possibly three guns on me...

 

[Smoke]

Given the average age of this forum's members, you're probably right.

He hasn't logged in in over 10 years so...

 

[Smoke]

If we're going to run with this 14 year old topic, I don't recall the last time I saw a "No Guns" sign on any business that I frequent in Colorado Springs. The only exception to that is my wife's doctor's offices and the VA.

They used to have them at our bank but on the front door the sign was in black lettering on a black door at the bottom of the door and you had to be looking for it to see it. The side door they had a traditional Gun Buster sign but it was literally at the bottom of the door. I never asked but it was like they were going out of their way to make it difficult for you to see the sign. So they were following corporate policy but not actually restricting you from having a gun in their Bank.

FWIW I ignore the signs entirely when I take my wife to the doctor and I abide by them to the letter when I go to the VA. I rarely go to the post office but I abide by the rules there too.

 

[jscott]

I'm quite sure there are parts of your area that are the same...it's no different than anywhere else (unless you live in Detriot). My hood is pretty rough...but not as rough as some areas of the city. Houston has its warzones,

NYC is the same as LA, the riding DA usually relies on the PD to decide what course of action to take. Any death would result in a grand jury being convened.

I will say this, I would use my firearm to save my life or the life of another, I wouldn't use it to protect property. If I was a clerk in a store and was getting robbed, even with my ccw, I would hand over the cash and even throw in a few lotto tickets. I would only use force if I thought it would prevent an innocent person from dying. I never understood news stories where they had video of unarmed cashiers fighting a perp over a gun. For what? Your minimal wage job and your life?

If I was in a Bank that was being robbed and I thought they would just take the money and run and not hurt anyone, I wouldn't even bother to clear leather. Who cares about property?

NYC is the same as LA, the riding DA usually relies on the PD to decide what course of action to take. Any death would result in a grand jury being convened.

I will say this, I would use my firearm to save my life or the life of another, I wouldn't use it to protect property. If I was a clerk in a store and was getting robbed, even with my ccw, I would hand over the cash and even throw in a few lotto tickets. I would only use force if I thought it would prevent an innocent person from dying. I never understood news stories where they had video of unarmed cashiers fighting a perp over a gun. For what? Your minimal wage job and your life?

If I was in a Bank that was being robbed and I thought they would just take the money and run and not hurt anyone, I wouldn't even bother to clear leather. Who cares about property?

Problem is, sometimes they kill you just to kill you after they have want they want. Unpredictable. My experience working Homicide.

 

[jscott]

I'm quite sure there are parts of your area that are the same...it's no different than anywhere else (unless you live in Detriot). My hood is pretty rough...but not as rough as some areas of the city. Houston has its warzones, too.

Many years ago, I walked a foot beat in Detroit during the summer. I would take a break by sitting in the cooler of an Arab connivence store, knowing the clerks were better armed than me. It was the only place it was safe to take off my body armor.

 

[Oldsalt66]

I'm curious; does the 'No Guns' sign legally prevent you from carrying in Florida?

Texas has very specific requirements for enforceable signage, I was just wondering.

No, those signs have absolutely no force of law in Florida, and any non-prohibited person may carry a concealed weapon or firearm with or without a license in this state, except in the locations clearly specified by law.

I apologize for taking 14 years to answer your question.