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Dear Smith and Wesson Forum i have an important question regarding concealed carry. Are there any colleges that allow concealed carry? any and all help in answering this question would be greatly appeciated sincerely and respectfully mg357 a proud member of the Smith and Wesson Forum.
 
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Colorado State University might still allow it. Until earlier this year it was allowed, but I believe the school board voted to ban it. Last I knew the ban was being challenged.
 
I think Colorado State does allow itu because the Court there said it must. When I was a cop I carried concealed on campus all the time because we were supposed to be armed all the time. I had an idiot professor tell me I could not carry the gun on campus. I basically told him I would remove the sight so It did not hurt so much when I shoved it where his head usually resided.....(only kidding on the comment, but I did tell him that I was authorized to carry and mandated to carry..)
 
Dear Smith and Wesson Forum i have an important question regarding concealed carry. Are there any colleges that allow concealed carry? any and all help in answering this question would be greatly appeciated sincerely and respectfully mg357 a proud member of the Smith and Wesson Forum.

Here in Michigan, there is/was a small group of (pro-carry) students at one of the state funded universities who were trying to get the school to allow them to (I seem to recall, open) carry while on campus. The board of trustees denied their request. Furthermore, there is a MI state law that bans any firearms on college campuses and dorms, i.e. "gun free zones", among other places.
 
Utah. I beleive all colleges in Utah you are allowed to carry, with their concealed license. I think it may be the only one. Could be wrong thought.


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here in texas all schools are "gun free zones" infact one student shortly after the virginia tech incident walked into class with a wob holster empty and was escorted out

shammy out!
 
Minnesota allows carry on campus for carry permit licensees. The hooker is that the individual state colleges are allowed to have their own internal rules that let them discipline students and employees who carry. So we are in the odd position that while a non student or employee such as myself can carry any where I please on campus the 21 year old former combat vet student or employee with a valid permit risks expulsion or termination if he or she does exactly what he or she is trained and licensed to do any where else. Pretty silly and denies the students and faculty the public safety benefits they could have had for free if bozos didn't run the university.
 
Dont these restrictions normally just apply to students and staff? Not sure how a campus could police every visitor. I know in VA George Mason actually is included in the CCW laws as a no carry zone.

I am an educator and often go to colleges. I have found every one is different.

TD
 
Here is the Florida restriction on carry on campus even for permit holders :

From the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services Division of Licensing:

Possession Restrictions

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for acomplete listing.
* any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
* any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
* any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
* any courtroom*
* any polling place
* any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
* any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
* any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
* any school administration building
* any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
* any elementary or secondary school facility
* any area technical center
* any college or university facility*
* inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
* any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
 
Dear Smith and Wesson Forum have an important question regarding concealed carry. Are there any colleges that allow concealed carry? any and all help in answering this question would be greatly appeciated sincerely and respectfully mg357 a proud member of the Smith and Wesson Forum.

Utah. Several great schools. University of Utah is the best Before I went there for 7 years I was dum. After 6 months or so you can establish residency for in state tuition.
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The website SCC or Students for Concealed Carry would be a good place to obtain information. Old Dominion University in Norfolk, VA Student Republican "Group" is in the process of petitioning the adminstration to stop the ban of students carrying concealed on campus. Norfolk is a city & the university is on the edge of drug ridden, high crime neighborhoods. It is a "commuter community University". There are many, many military students, both active, non-active, & retired that should meet any requirement that the adminstration demands. Tidewater Virginia is a hub for all military branches.
 
Concealed carry by college students, on campus, is a reallllllly dumb idea!!!

Heck, it's a dumb idea off campus.

Be safe.
 
I think that concealed carry on campus is fine. Remember, college students, faculty & adminstration are all adults. To be safe, there are times I need to carry.
 
If there are, indeed, "times (you) need to carry" may I suggest you find something else to do during those times.

Be safe.

I think that concealed carry on campus is fine. Remember, college students, faculty & adminstration are all adults. To be safe, there are times I need to carry.
 
Arm the faculty, not the students. The only kids I met that were more reckless than my high school friends were my college friends...My opnion is a CCW should come as part of graduation....if they make it.
 
Thanks, sip; you said what i tried to say but far more eloquently!!! ;)

Be safe.

Arm the faculty, not the students. The only kids I met that were more reckless than my high school friends were my college friends...My opnion is a CCW should come as part of graduation....if they make it.
 
Concealed carry by college students, on campus, is a reallllllly dumb idea!!!

Heck, it's a dumb idea off campus.

Be safe.

The above is an opinion not supported by Constitutional law. College students are adults, and thus responsible for their actions. Adults, as per the second amendment to the Bill of Rights have the right to keep and bear arms.

All of the states like Florida and Michigan that make it illegal to carry here or there are foolish. On the flip side of the coin, most Universities and Colleges explicitly prohibit the possession of weapons by students. It should be clearly noted as to what is illegal and what is against the rules of an institution or business.

We as individuals have the ultimate responsibility for our own safety and security. Become informed, learn the laws, understand the consequences and risks and make your own decision. The opinions of other should mean nothing to an individual making their own choice.

As for Pennsylvania, my home state (Commonwealth actually) it is not illegal to carry on a college campus or in a bar. In fact, it is legal to open carry at both.
 
College students and Staff should be under the same regulations as the rest of the world. Colleges are just small towns in a way. I dont think everyone should carry, of course I dont think some people should drive either :-)

Places restricting CCW are asking for badguys. If you go through the process and are granted a permit it should be good anywhere.

TD
 
This probably doesn't count as carry on campus but a few years ago there was an apartment invasion by a thug in a students apartment at our local university. The student in question was a young married man who had recently returned from service in Iraq as an MP. He used his 12 gauge shotgun to hold the intruder at gun point while his wife called the police. When they arrived he sent the home invader out the door with his hands up while he stowed his shotgun.
With all the returning vets and other adult students in our colleges it is silly and dangerous not to allow trained and licensed folks the same right to carry on campus that they do elsewhere. It is a highly efficient and cost effective strategy for improving public safety.
 
Not an answer to the original question (Are there any colleges that allow concealed carry?) - Just my input as to whether or not lawful concealed carry should be permitted at public colleges.

Crime does occur on or near college campuses, sometimes very serious crime.

Licensed Concealed Carry should be permitted. The individual with this license still has to meet the same legal requirements the rest of us do to obtain our concealed carry permit/license, and in most states that is: Be a t least 21 years of age, meet the training requirements, and pass a background check. As long as the firearm is lawfully concealed and handled properly on campus I don't see an issue. If the valid CHL holder lives in an on-campus dormitory, and as long as the firearm is safely stored and handled properly in the dormitory, I still don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with the rest of us carrying under these conditions in our day-to-day activities (our home, place of business, the store, the park, etc…), so why should I with someone whose day-to-day activities happen to include going to college?

Not all college students are under 21; many are older, and a fair number much older than that; some have honorable military or law enforcement experience; and some may have more shooting experience and/or training than some in the military or law enforcement do.

Open carry, on the other hand (even though I believe open carry should be lawful and generally accepted) is another problem. There are just too many folks that are too upset when they see a gun. This creates a disruption to the academic environment that makes it difficult for too many staff, faculty, students and visitors to feel comfortable about being on campus where guns are displayed. My wish may be that this "upset" was not so, but the reality is - it is so. Lawfully concealed is the way to go – out of sight, out of mind.

And this above opinion is from a Sergeant for a College Department of Public Safety. This college's district covers 1500 square miles and there are approximately 100,000 currently registered students (making it the largest college in this state and, last I heard, the 14th largest in the nation). There are already valid CHL holders attending this college (whether we know of them or not), and there have been zero issues so far from these CHL holders, but there have been issues with those unlawfully carrying who couldn't qualify for a CHL even if they tried.

This college does not specifically permit/allow carry on campus. The rule is that weapons are prohibited on college property, except as provided by law or for sanctioned college activities/use. If someone is carrying on campus concealed, and does not do something to draw our attention, how would we know it anyway?

It's not the ones with a CHL that concern me, it's the others. The CHL holders have already demonstrated reasonable responsibility by going through the licensing process; the others show their lack of reasonable responsibility by failing to do so or in spite of the law/rule.

Peace,
 
Concealed carry by college students, on campus, is a reallllllly dumb idea!!!

Heck, it's a dumb idea off campus.

Be safe.

I guess your implication is that college students are all of one type or of one age. I can assure you neither is true. I am a college student , and almost 40 years old. I've had my Texas CHL for about five years. I don't see why stepping onto a college campus immediately makes me more reckless or more prone to rash decisions. Right now, in my state, you can carry all you want outside (except at a school sponsored event), but when you go through the doors, the rules change. Forcing me to disarm there, when I can carry almost anywhere else, seems silly to me. There appears to be a good chance that our legislature will correct this oversight this upcoming session.

I think the current restriction in my state against carrying inside college buildings is not based in any fact, just emotion and opinion.

In any case, Texas law allows anyone to carry with a CHL on any school premises (defined as the buildings), with the permission of the school. I don't know of any colleges in Texas that allow it, but there is one public school district (Harrold ISD, I think) that gave permission to it's faculty/staff with CHL's a year or so ago. No incidents have been reported.
 
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I am a college student , and almost 40 years old. I've had my Texas CHL for about five years. I don't see why stepping onto a college campus immediately makes me more reckless or more prone to rash decisions.

I'm pretty sure Big D was referring to the wet behind the ears, 18-21 crowd, who for the most part, are pretty reckless...especially where alcohol is concerned. Of course I guess it depends on the college....I would be fine with Harvard students packing but not so comfortable with AZ state.
 
I'm pretty sure he was, too, but that's the danger of painting with such a broad brush.

In Texas at least, you have to be 21 to even get a CHL, so the percentage of college students that would even be eligible is fairly small, and of those, an even smaller percentage would still live in the dorm.
 
I'm pretty sure Big D was referring to the wet behind the ears, 18-21 crowd, who for the most part, are pretty reckless...especially where alcohol is concerned. Of course I guess it depends on the college....I would be fine with Harvard students packing but not so comfortable with AZ state.

Didn't the Kennedys go to Harvard ? And thats where Timothy Leary was a Psychology professor.
 
Yes, but none of these would want to carry so it's a non-issue...:).

Probably right. BTW, I heard Leary speak at Princeton University a few days after he was released from prison . He was a whack job strange even for the era. The most interesting part of his speech was his discussion of his encounters with Charlie Manson while in prison.
 
If there are, indeed, "times (you) need to carry" may I suggest you find something else to do during those times.

Be safe.
One morning, at 10AM, two drinking people were on my property. I turned the corner & we were all surprised. I asked them to leave & one in particular became very belligerent. I am female, over 40, a student, & at the time I had a neck brace on. The men did not back down or attempt to leave while I was calling the police on my cell phone. They only backed down when they realized that I had my S&W. You weren't there to protect me,the drunks didn't care about the cops, they only cared that S&W was with me.
The college campus is not far away. Glad I wasn't on campus.
 
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