fredj338
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Not even close to the same thing. Again, you can be exposed to covid19 & not get sick. Last I looked, only superman was bullet proof. Stop being so afraid.
Coronavirus and Deadly Force
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Not even close to the same thing. Again, you can be exposed to covid19 & not get sick. Last I looked, only superman was bullet proof. Stop being so afraid.
Trooper224
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If you shoot someone for coughing on you, you're fighting an uphill battle you're going to lose in court. You'll be even worse off if you make your decision based on legal advice obtained from a discussion forum.
I knew a thread like this was coming.
BTW - what caliber is best for a viral spreader?
Something like this.
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federali
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Let's confine this discussion to the deliberate use of the coronavirus as a weapon to commit an assault and please, let's not go around shooting people for coughing and sneezing in your presence. The criminal act would be the attempt to transfer the disease to you, whether or not there's a probability of success.
If I'm a criminal and shooting at you but my shots are so far off the mark, are you compelled to withhold fire? Must you also stop shooting while I reload?
Let's confine this discussion to the deliberate use of the coronavirus as a weapon to commit an assault and please, let's not go around shooting people for coughing and sneezing in your presence. The criminal act would be the attempt to transfer the disease to you, whether or not there's a probability of success.
If I'm a criminal and shooting at you but my shots are so far off the mark, are you compelled to withhold fire? Must you also stop shooting while I reload?
THEmodelof1989
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Making an analogy between someone coughing on you intentionally to get you sick, but not actually succeeding, and someone shooting at you, but not hitting you seems a bit off the mark to me. Simply coughing at someone, even with intent to get them sick, is no where near the same ballpark as getting shot at.
The bottom line is killing people for coughing on you, with intent to get you sick or not is an inappropriate reponse. In the military and law enforcement world we use something called escalation of force. When you have to stand on what we call "the red carpet" and explain why you used the force you used on someone, you end up being a criminal when you used excessive force. The conversation would go something like this "Could you have put him on his face and taken him off the street? Did even try that before shooting? No? So you just went straight to pulling the trigger? Good job, you are now a murderer".
... I just scrolled up and saw someone commented "shoot them in the leg"... oh man, it's been a while since I've seen form that bad. I'm going on a self prescribed bann for a few days. Cheers.
Shoot someone who spit on you, you'll be in jail until your prelim hearing, and Covid is starting to get a foothold in prisons and jails.
As it is, wife and I don't leave the house without masks on our neck to be pulled up if within 10 feet of anyone, as wth this virus just one careless moment could cost lives.
As it is, wife and I don't leave the house without masks on our neck to be pulled up if within 10 feet of anyone, as wth this virus just one careless moment could cost lives.
pantannojack
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US Law Shield had a webinar last night with program attorneys, and all of the attorneys that addressed this question advised against the use of lethal force against anyone claiming to have the virus that may cough or spits in your direction.
It's not serious enough to shoot someone that states they have the virus for spitting on you because they may not have it and if they do have it you may not get infected and if you do get infected it will probably not bother you any more than a cold. You can't shoot someone over a cold.
The Govt. has shut down the country. It's dangerous to be within 6 ft. of someone. People are dying everyday because of the virus.
Which is it? If it is no more than a cold why has the country been shut down and if it is dangerous as the Govt. says you should be able to defend yourself from a deadly threat. Larry
The Govt. has shut down the country. It's dangerous to be within 6 ft. of someone. People are dying everyday because of the virus.
Which is it? If it is no more than a cold why has the country been shut down and if it is dangerous as the Govt. says you should be able to defend yourself from a deadly threat. Larry
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I don't think you could convince a jury that your life was in danger by being coughed on...
I, too, pulled a double take on that one.
fredj338
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Its a really good question. Consider this virus has such a low kill rate, does make you wonder why we are so afraid. Could it just be politcs pushed by the media?
Look, we accept 40,000 auto deaths a year as cost of doing business. We need to look at any threat to life in a sim way. I am not out lcking door knobs, but I am not afraid of a bad flu. Cetainly not afraid enough to shoot someone who claims to have it & coughs on me. He may be drinking soup from a straw for 6 wks but i'll reserve my bullets for a serious threat.
Rastoff
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I thought we were past this? I guess...never mind.
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