Curious: Why not sell to anti-2A states?

[hdfinder47]

I notice that many sellers specifically state that they will not sell to Cali and a few other states that are anti 2A. Is there a danger of the gun getting "lost" in shipment, extra paperwork or another reason? Just curious since there are a lot of avid shooters/collectors in these states and I hate to see them denied access to the hobby.
And why do we often put xxx's for the last digits of our serial numbers when talking firearms online? (I usually do it b/c everybody else seems to, but I don't know why.)
Ed

 

[stuartg74]

I notice that many sellers specifically state that they will not sell to Cali and a few other states that are anti 2A. Is there a danger of the gun getting "lost" in shipment, extra paperwork or another reason? Just curious since there are a lot of avid shooters/collectors in these states and I hate to see them denied access to the hobby.

And why do we often put xxx's for the last digits of our serial numbers when talking firearms online? (I usually do it b/c everybody else seems to, but I don't know why.)

Ed

Maybe the gun they are selling is not legal in those states.

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[rockquarry]

I notice that many sellers specifically state that they will not sell to Cali and a few other states that are anti 2A. Is there a danger of the gun getting "lost" in shipment, extra paperwork or another reason? Just curious since there are a lot of avid shooters/collectors in these states and I hate to see them denied access to the hobby.
And why do we often put xxx's for the last digits of our serial numbers when talking firearms online? (I usually do it b/c everybody else seems to, but I don't know why.)
Ed

Seems to be no good answer for leaving out part of the serial numbers. This has been asked here before. Always no definitive answers, but much speculation. Probably a lot of paranoia involved in many cases.

Like the people with bail out kits by every door, I was curious where they were going to bail out to. No one really knew.

 

[Norton 750]

Several states have a real patchwork of laws that makes it difficult to make sure you are in compliance. With Bidens No Tolerance policy, you make any mistake and you will lose your FFL. Thats the good news. May also end up in jail. Basically most hobby dealers don't want to deal with all the hassle.

 

[sigp220.45]

The serial number thing is just Big Brother paranoia. Also some people are afraid someone will use the serial number to file a false police report for some reason, though I have never heard of it actually happening.

As for not shipping to some states, I think it is because most sellers use an FFL to ship, and the FFL may not want to ship to those states. I know the guy I use won’t, and I’m in Colorado which is rapidly becoming one of “those” states. Hell, I tried to order a holster from Amazon and they wouldn’t ship it here even though holsters aren’t illegal anywhere here.

 

[Onomea]

The only state I recall seeing where sellers say "no sales to" is California. California has a list of firearms (handguns only?) that they deem acceptable. It evolves over time, I think. Sellers don't won't to go through the hassle of trying to get their gun/money back, or having a CA FFL reject their shipment if their gun is not on the acceptable list.

As for XXX in SNs, some folks worry about Big Brother tracking their personal firearms. Others, like me, don't worry about it and go ahead and publish SNs.

That's my understanding, anyway .

 

[UncleEd]

As I understand it some states and particularly California have approved lists of firearms. Those have passed the safety tests. But as often as not within the same category of, say revolvers, some have not passed. Dealers don't want the hassle of whether a particular firearm is on the latest list or not. Older and used guns especially might not be on the approved "safety" list.

 

[tomhenry]

The above mentioned states are run by morons who change/pass anti gun laws almost surreptitiously. I used to live in one of those dumps and I had to call the police dept just to make sure I wasn't breaking any laws on my way to the gun range. Guess what? Not even the police could keep up with the rapidly changing laws.

Gun dealers don't have the time to constantly research all the gun laws on the books for every state in the nation. They simply don't do biz with anti gun states cause it's just not worth the risk.

 

[LVSteve]

After the issues of dealing with 'flexible' laws, multiple FFLs, and what guns are permitted, do you really want your name on a list in a 2A hostile state? I don't.

 

[Bald1]

Several states have a real patchwork of laws that makes it difficult to make sure you are in compliance. With Bidens No Tolerance policy, you make any mistake and you will lose your FFL. Thats the good news. May also end up in jail. Basically most hobby dealers don't want to deal with all the hassle.

As an FFL I have questioned this personally. Lots of sellers won’t ship to NY. I’ve seen this on Gunbroker a lot. It’s really just dumb. If a seller in Texas sells a gun to a NY resident he ships it to a local FFL. At that point it’s the local FFL’s responsibility to make sure it’s legal. No different than shipping to any other state. I’ve explained this to sellers on GB and they’ve agreed to sell it here. I once received a 9mm (Kimber I think) that seller claimed was 10 rd capacity. Well when I received it , it was 12 rd capacity. It was my responsibility to check it and not transfer it to buyer.

 

[LVSteve]

As an FFL I have questioned this personally. Lots of sellers won’t ship to NY. I’ve seen this on Gunbroker a lot. It’s really just dumb. If a seller in Texas sells a gun to a NY resident he ships it to a local FFL. At that point it’s the local FFL’s responsibility to make sure it’s legal. No different than shipping to any other state. I’ve explained this to sellers on GB and they’ve agreed to sell it here. I once received a 9mm (Kimber I think) that seller claimed was 10 rd capacity. Well when I received it , it was 12 rd capacity. It was my responsibility to check it and not transfer it to buyer.

Then what happens?

 

[Mortimer94]

A lot of online sites will not ship ammo, powder,primers etc to Massachusetts because of their asinine laws. Some sellers won't ship assisted opening pocket knives to Mass, where freedom has come to die.

 

[delcrossv]

Then what happens?

Maybe stuff some TP into the magazine?

Sorry, but those magazine bans are pretty ludicrous.

 

[Magnum_PI]

I've always heard out of state private sellers or FFLs just don't want to risk dealing with the Nanny States who haven't read or understand your American rights.

If I sold gear, guns, ammo, etc., I'd probably be inclined to play it safe as well, and not send it to hostile territory.

 

[mrchick]

I don’t blame out of state dealers who don’t want to ship into California. The following is a link to the California site that shows what guns are legal to sell in California. Just look at the Smith & Wesson list and you’ll see that it’s all fairly current models and it’s not even all of the models, sometimes California will allow a gun to be shipped into the state with a certain finish and not another finish. They do this because the only test the gun with the one finish. You’d be shocked how many current gun models can’t be shipped into California. For example, the ONLY model 17 that can be shipped to CA is the 17-9 SKU #150477a.

Handguns Certified for Sale | State of California - Department of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

It does exempt private party transfers, but a case can be made that an FFL shipping into the state is not a private party transfer.

I can see where an FFL wouldn’t see it is worth the risk, as much of what is sold on GB can’t be sold into CA.

I am not an FFL, and may be off based on all of this, but this is how it appears to a lot of people and causes people to be reluctant to ship there.

 

[moosedog]

Blue Anti Gun states are lawsuit happy. I do not want to be sued.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

A lot of online sites will not ship ammo, powder,primers etc to Massachusetts because of their asinine laws. Some sellers won't ship assisted opening pocket knives to Mass, where freedom has come to die.

Certainly understandable, but the fact is that even switchblades are legal to possess in MA. It's just taking them out of the house that isn't. Also shipping interstate, but not everyone sweats that, either.

 

[CalifEd]

To say that California's gun laws are strange is well known.
For a FFL to ship into California, they have to register with the State, doesn't matter that the FFL already has a Federal License, and then get a Firearms Shipment Approval number from DOJ, for any gun shipped. 3 guns, 3 letters. It is automated and easy but, my view, it is purely there to frustrate the 'import' of guns into the State.
If it is On Roster, is not banned outright, has the wrong dash or feature then all is good; if not, then the fun begins - all between the FFL's.
Yes, it is up to the buyer to make sure of these things but I am sure that a seller, once burned, will just say "no sale to California" to make their life easier.
There is more to this but space is short and time is valuable; just know that life behind the wire is complicated for gun owners.

 

[Ματθιας]

I block out the last of a serial # because, in my view, it's need to know info, and nobody needs to know - especially online.

 

[Bald1]

Then what happens?

Two options. Return it to the seller who advertised it as a 10 rd mag or let buyer take possession without the 12 rd mag. As an FFL in NY I can posses guns deemed illegal, because law enforcement can buy them. If a cop tells me he wants a Walther with 16 rd mag, I get it for him. If he wants an evil AR with removable 30 rd mag. I get it for him.