Do you REALLY believe in the 2nd Amendment?

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Oh, and I forgot to ask one question? Why would anyone get banned for expressing an opinion on this forum? I've seen some pretty heated topics, but never anyone banned from this site. Others? Oh, yeah. One in particular where the 'ban hammer' falls regularly, but here? News to me...
You needn't ask in the forum. There is a rules section. It's called "read the rules".

BTW the topic is Do you really believe in the 2nd Amendement.
 
That appears pretty obvious to me. In the vast majority of states where OC has always been legal it has never been an issue because most people, me included, don't see any good reason to do it, so hardly anyone ever did.

It wasn't until, relatively recently, in the few states that outlawed OC, efforts got started to pass laws to make it legal that it became this big political deal, and suddenly this at best marginal issue has become the Holy Grail of Second Amendment loyalty, and erverybody is up in arms (pun intended) about it, and there is drama all around.

As others have said, if this thread is supposed to be about the Second Amendment, then whether or not one thinks that OC is a good idea should not be the litmus test of sufficient attachment to the 2A. Disagreeing with someone's carrying preferences does not infringe on that person's rights.
"Disagreeing with someone's carrying preferences" absolutely infringes when OC is illegal like it is in the discussed areas and the disagreement is an attempt to keep it illegal.

Also, most pro OC people likely don't intend to OC. It's the principal, and OC protects you legally from accidental CC exposure which is probably the biggest thing. Most people don't enjoy being a gust of wind from criminal charges.
 
That appears pretty obvious to me. In the vast majority of states where OC has always been legal it has never been an issue because most people, me included, don't see any good reason to do it, so hardly anyone ever did.

It wasn't until, relatively recently, in the few states that outlawed OC, efforts got started to pass laws to make it legal that it became this big political deal, and suddenly this at best marginal issue has become the Holy Grail of Second Amendment loyalty, and erverybody is up in arms (pun intended) about it, and there is drama all around.

It's true that most people don't open carry. It's also true that most people don't see a reason worthy to obtain a carry permit at all. In Texas, a mere 3% of adults see a reason worthy to obtain a permit. And probably a large portion of that 3% rarely if ever carry. That makes gun carry at best a marginal issue, right?

It's easy to marginalize rights that the other guy is exercising....
 
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Man, love this board and love the passion, but I'm not sure this thread can end up in anything less than the two answers of "I agree with the majority, so I love the 2ndA" or "You disagree, your a rotten Quisling who hates the 2ndA", neither result is productive or worth pursing. ...

Good arguments can be made on both sides, but just as every law is a process of consideration and opinion, so is this topic. Fact is, anyone can say "The right to keep and bear arms means _____". The allowance of differing opinions is what this nation is about. There's a hell of a lot of white crosses planted on foreign shores by brave men trying to guarantee that truth never dies.

OC supporters can claim that "The right to keep and bear arms" broadly means carrying any gun in any way with no regulation at all, period. OK, that point has been pounded in like a railroad spike. I get it. You believe there should be no restrictions or limits of any kind, of any weapon, of any carry, anywhere at any time and if that right isn't granted, your believe you're rights are being stomped on by a tyrannical govt. Got it. Point's clear.

Others disagree. US Constitional history and law clearly shows that there are limits to every right, that if every right was treated as "whatever you want, when you want, how you want, forever and no consquences" then we'd have open civil war and anarchy, because competeting interests interpreting rights differently would ultimately end up in mass conflict or even open combat.

At a minimum, I would hope we could at least mutually recognize that others can disagree with certain points of firearms carry without resorting to calling people traitor, liberal, commie, Democrat plant, backstabber, 2nd Amendment betrayer or whatever else. People can actually love God, America, freedom, liberty, the Constitiution, the 2nd Amendment, Reagan, be a raging firearms enthusiast and yet *still* conclude that carrying openly is unwise and unnecessary.

I will again apologize for characterizing OC carriers with insulting terms, I also fell into that hole of rock throwing, fair enough to say I was wrong. But behavior and philosphy are two differents things, how I said what I said may have been regretfully on the near side to rude, but the context of what I said is not invalid.

I accept others disagree and believe in OC. I hope you can accept that other folks, upon being asked "Do you REALLY believe in the 2nd Amendment? can truthfully say 'yes', know what they're talking about and be very informed regarding issues of personal freedom, rights and liberty and STILL believe OC is a poor concept.

God bless ya' all, hope you have a great Saturday.
Ciao.
 
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I guess I could leave this open, and let everyone express their same opinion for the fourth or fifth or fifteenth time and fix the world.

I don't know how I tore myself away, but I quit reading late in Page 2 (50 posts per page is what I'm set at), so help me out here-
did we ever get around to including abortion and gay marriage in the mix? I wouldn't want to miss any of the banned topics. :rolleyes:

I'll remind you all that we have specific guidelines for the 2A section.
Read them.
Sticky: READ this > HOW to use the 2A Forum

I'll also remind you that there is a list of banned topics in the Rules-
The following topics are BANNED on this Board:
Abortion
Religion
Racial issues
Gay rights/homosexuality
General LEO bashing
Political Discussion and Comment


Move along now.
The wreckers and ambulances have left and there is nothing to see but the sweepers cleaning up the broken glass......
 
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