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DWalt
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Drones sighted today, flying over some NJ Navy facility. No reports that I have seen actually state what these things look like, or if they show up on radar. That is highly suspicious.
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smoothshooter
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US military war gaming?
LVSteve
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Ματθιας;142126682 said:
I have a technical background in the subject. Anyone that tells you that all governments can see everything that approaches their shores at all times using radar is blowing smoke up you know where.
Don't take my word on it. Look up the terms "radar horizon", "ground clutter", "radar angels", and "moving target indicator limitations". Discriminating drones from the rest of the universe is not easy.
With respect, that's not what I asked you.
What i asked was;
How do you know they don't have the full story?
How do you know they don't, in fact, know what's going on?
How do you know all of that?
The fact that the .gov reps are saying they don't know what they are, but that we shouldn't worry about. Please. Both can't be true.
Whatever the .gov says the opposite is probably true.
ACORN
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Stolen from another forum:
“If they can track Santa Claus all the way around the world, why can’t they track these?”
“If they can track Santa Claus all the way around the world, why can’t they track these?”
Two weeks ago, there was barely a word mentioned in the news media even though this has been going on in NJ since mid Nov.
Last week, there was credible info that a drone crashed on the mountain behind my house by Round Valley Reservoir. My street was packed with cars and State police as a helicopter surveyed the reservoir area with a light. Apparently nothing was found, but the incident was never reported by local or State media. Since then, the number of sightings has risen dramatically in the State and because of sheer numbers, it has become front page headlines.
What do we know at this point? Fact, absolutely nothing.
What have State and Federal government agencies concluded with respect to the public's understanding and safety? Fact, absolutely nothing.
Everything you hear, be it Iran, China,............whatever, are the baseless, unsubstantiated claims of the uninitiated public. What is shameful, is that our own agencies have failed in their most basic duties and left the general public to speculate on their own devices.
Last week, there was credible info that a drone crashed on the mountain behind my house by Round Valley Reservoir. My street was packed with cars and State police as a helicopter surveyed the reservoir area with a light. Apparently nothing was found, but the incident was never reported by local or State media. Since then, the number of sightings has risen dramatically in the State and because of sheer numbers, it has become front page headlines.
What do we know at this point? Fact, absolutely nothing.
What have State and Federal government agencies concluded with respect to the public's understanding and safety? Fact, absolutely nothing.
Everything you hear, be it Iran, China,............whatever, are the baseless, unsubstantiated claims of the uninitiated public. What is shameful, is that our own agencies have failed in their most basic duties and left the general public to speculate on their own devices.
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LVSteve
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Ματθιας;142126787 said:
I know they don't have the full story, because it is technically impossible for them to surveil the country in the kind of detail needed to spot drones everywhere with the assets currently available. To do so you would be looking at a small radar of some type on just about every cell tower in the country, and knowing the patchy cell coverage out here, that would still leave gaps. Even then, the discrimination issue remains. Is your radar seeing a drone, a car, an extractor fan, or a bird?
All the above assumes that everything being reported is actually a drone. I don't believe more than 2% are drones at all, if the percentage were less it would not surprise me at all. The one they were showing on TV last night was clearly an airliner throttled back on approach to an airport, so it wasn't making much noise. People are notoriously bad witnesses when it comes to identifying flying things in poor light, especially if the object has lights on it. Then there is the matter of size. If you've ever watched any of the monster hunt shows they have show tests where they ask people to judge the size of an unfamiliar shape at an unknown distance. Very few get close..
As for the government messaging, that's an issue I'm not qualified to comment on in any depth. I'm not a psychiatrist or social science major, just an observer of human nature.
LVSteve
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What with? Under what circumstances? Do you know what is under the drone? If your projectile(s) miss do you know on what they will land?
Consider that a laser guided APKWS* missile weighs 32 lbs and a good chunk of it will come down intact after the warhead goes. How's that going to work on your new roof?
*The APKWS is currently in use in Ukraine as an anti-drone weapon.
Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System - Wikipedia
Jon651
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Jamming the radio signals from these drones also has the unintended side-effect of jamming more important radio signals as well - such as those used in civil aviation, police, fire, garage door remote controls, etc.
Plus who is to say they are using any radio communications at all - they could be flying pre-programmed routes or patterns and not using any signals at all to intercept or block.As for "nets from helicopters", drones are much more maneuverable/nimble than helicopters (what with being smaller with no pilot onboard), and I doubt any competent pilot would even want to risk trying it.
These things are fairly large for a drone and just as obvious. Most of us know what they sound like even without directly seeing it. If they are landing to recharge/refuel anywhere someone will eventually see one coming in or on the ground. Plus few if any Americans can do something that makes such a big splash in the news like this and actually keep their mouth shut for very long.
I think it's going to end up being Amazon or Pizza Hut working out the bugs in their next-gen delivery service! 
We will find out the truth eventually...
You need to deep fat fry them
Personally I suspect someone put LSD in the NJ water supply
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Good way to spend a $10B gift
Iran’s new massive drone ship left home port last month – and went weeks without being spotted
Iran’s new massive drone ship left home port last month – and went weeks without being spotted
You were not any more smarmy than me. I also apologize for my geographic elitism. You can not find a decent trailer park in SC anymore, they have all been replaced with $500K condos
All the drone sightings seem to be happening where there's good cell coverage. A sophisticated operator could manufacture drones that can be controlled using 3G, 4G , or 5G cell networks, thus zero traditional radio signals for anyone to jam or receive. 'Good way to obfuscate their control. The needed cell chip might only weigh a few grams and require very little power, just like what's in your cell phone.
Birdgun
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I suspect I know who is doing this.
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DWalt
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If you look at the "The War Zone" website, it is obvious that there is a very high level of advanced combat Drone R&D and manufacturing activity currently underway in North Korea and Russia. And it is very likely China is also included. Even if all those drone sightings now being seen over the US do turn out to be hoaxes or hysteria, that does not mean there is no national security threat.
LVSteve
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That happened at the #2 London airport, Gatwick, a few years back. Note that there is still a debate about how much of it was real and how much was hysteria. The only real result was a couple receiving a 200k Sterling payout from the local police for false arrest and their names being leaked to the media and a Member of Parliament.
Gatwick Airport drone incident - Wikipedia
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