FBI agent loses gun during dance back flip

[jag312]

I hear that Nome, Alaska will be getting another agent.

 

[Doug M.]

A dullard, for sure. Multiple fails.

Nightclub? At 0045? Nothing good happens in those places at any time. That time of night, the stupid factor is off the charts, and even if you are not the source of the stupid as this idiot was, there is no gain in being there.

Dancing? Clownshoes. Never ever go to a place where there is dancing of any type, except maybe ballroom.

Crud holster. Buy cheap, get what you pay for. That holster (if he was using one) fails the retention test of action shooting competition.

Bad training, bad judgment. The Bureau probably will not have the spine to fire him, but he could get a month off, and a transfer to some really awful place.

 

[The Big D]

How do you know...

...alcohol was involved?

Absolutely, guy made a very bad mistake in negligently discharging his gun. But there is nothing I see in the video that suggests he was intoxicated, reckless or in thugville.

Sure does need a better holster. And surely should have displayed more empathy for the victim if, in fact, he knew someone was hit.

And why does he need a updated resume'? Does every person who has a negligent discharge get fired from his/her job?

Be safe.

Who said guns & alcohol don't mix? Did anyone see a holster, or was it just stuck into his waistband? I hope his resume is up to date.

 

[johngalt]

What I want to know - will this agent be treated differently than if average Joe citizen had done the same thing.

 

[Old cop]

A school resource officer from my former agency had a negligent discharge (ND) w/his issued Glock 23. He was at his assigned school, in his office, when the ND happened but no one was hurt. The round went through a wall and came close to hitting another teacher. The prosecutors’ office charged him w/reckless endangerment and he was placed on admin leave w/o pay. IMHO this FBI agent should be criminally charged, especially b/c someone was hurt due to his recklessness. It looked like he put his finger inside the trigger guard when retrieving the weapon, which is not in keeping w/his training.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

"Former FBI agent now on unpaid suspension pending termination proceedings, while Department of Justice lawyers hustle to settle negligence claims prior to civil suits".

There, I think I fixed that story.

 

[4506517]

Just goes to show not all law enforcement are gun people.

I think about things like this when people say "only law enforcement should have guns".

 

[LoboGunLeather]

...alcohol was involved?

Absolutely, guy made a very bad mistake in negligently discharging his gun. But there is nothing I see in the video that suggests he was intoxicated, reckless or in thugville.

Sure does need a better holster. And surely should have displayed more empathy for the victim if, in fact, he knew someone was hit.

And why does he need a updated resume'? Does every person who has a negligent discharge get fired from his/her job?

Be safe.

NOTE TO HOLSTER MAKERS: Make sure your product warranty specifically excludes back-flips on the dance floor.

 

[Kurusu]

You need more gun laws. Only Federal Agents should carry guns.

Er... Wait... Never mind.

 

[500SNW]

between that and the sheer embarrassment

I don't think "embarrassment" is a factor here. Anybody who dances like that in front of a crowd...obviously isn't easily embarrassed.

 

[500SNW]

What I want to know - will this agent be treated differently than if average Joe citizen had done the same thing.

NOPE. Just ask Comey, Strozk, and Page.

 

[CapnB]

I feel somehow compelled to comment on this thread, but really don’t know where to begin. This was just wrong on so many levels. I agree with a previous poster who noted that not everyone needs to be fired for a negligent discharge, but the chain of bad decisions leading up to this incident seriously bring this agent’s judgement into question. I think I could make a good case for termination. Unfortunately, we may never know the outcome as personnel matters are generally considered confidential. I hope the injured citizen is OK (and has a sense of humor).

 

[Bugkiller99]

Problem solved!

Remora Holster Backflip Test: Ultimate Retention (with Ruger SR9c) - YouTube

Well, the holster problem anyway.

 

[tlawler]

His total lack of concern for where the bullet went, who might have been injured, etc., is very concerning. By raising his hands in a "my bad" manner, shows me he was only concerned about himself. Putting others first is usually instinctive and hard to teach. His instinct was self preservation, which does not bode well for serving the public. My guess is that we won't become a fire fighter.

Sometimes the Millennialism shines through, no matter the job title.

 

[sigp220.45]

A lot will depend on if he is charged criminally. If he is, and is convicted, he will probably be fired.

If not, the Bureau investigation will focus on following procedures. If he was intoxicated, he’ll probably be fired. If his G-ride is in the parking lot, he’ll have that to deal with. If he was carrying without a holster or in an unapproved holster, or carrying an unapproved gun they’ll pile that on.

His actions after the shot will be scrutinized too. Did he render aid? Stick around for the cops? Try to badge his way out of it?

Best case, he’s looking at 30-60 days on the beach and remedial firearms training until he begs for mercy. Worst case, a criminal charge and firing.

Times have changed since a young Border Patrolman could kill his supervisor while practicing quick draw in the office and go on to have a distinguished career, make TV appearances, write books and magazine articles, and be revered for his accomplishments. This guy will get hammered pretty good.

 

[Wise_A]

And why does he need a updated resume'? Does every person who has a negligent discharge get fired from his/her job?

If he worked at Staples, carrying a gun would not be part of his job.

Instead, he works at the FBI, and carrying a gun is part of his job.

Normally I side very strongly in defense of LEOs punished or fired for non-criminal off-duty conduct (saying dumb stuff on Facebook, for instance), but not when it comes to firearms, and especially not when someone gets hurt.

3 - Condition one, cocked and locked, would have made this nothing more than an embarrassing dance move and failed retention of a firearm. His bosses probably would never have heard about it. Condition one, it's not dangerous, as some might believe.

Maybe. But it's wrong to rely on a "safety feature" to provide safety. Manual safeties get inadvertently deactivated all the time, either by normal movement, the gun being dropped, or mishandling when the gun is picked up.

Frankly, my thought whenever Condition 1 is advocated as a cure-all is, I don't want to be in the vicinity of people that rely on a switch to avoid shooting themselves.

 

[500SNW]

His actions after the shot will be scrutinized too. Did he render aid? Stick around for the cops? Try to badge his way out of it?

If I heard correctly, he left the scene pronto..or at least tried to You can see him "making tracks" immediately after shoving his glock back in his crack. There is 911 audio of somebody reporting him and giving a clothing description. Maybe I heard the unedited, long version.

 

[Walkingwolf]

And why does he need a updated resume'? Does every person who has a negligent discharge get fired from his/her job?

Be safe.

In the vast majority of businesses~~~Yes it does.

 

[Golddollar]

If I did a backflip like that there would be seismic readings at UCLA.

 

[JSR III]

No problem, he was undercover..........