Feds vs iPhone

Arik said:
The problem here is with the password. 10 wrong tries and it wipes the phone clean. The FBI wants Apple to build an additional operating system that they can load into the phone to disable that feature, at which point the FBI can run their password generating software. The problem lies in the fact that once built it can't be unbuilt but there will already exist the knowhow and the code. Which can then be potentially used to or updated to be used over WiFi to get into other phones remotely. The FBI say they want it only for this one phone and one time but no one can say 100% that the code and the knowledge will just vanish once that's done
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THIS I agree with. Just don't underestimate what organized crime can do with backdoor access to your phone.
 
Arik said:
They may, I'm not sure. But what we are talking about here is access to unlock passwords and get into the phone. What you're talking about is a Trojan virus that when uploaded allows an outside person access to the phone. Those have been around since the Internet. No one needs her password, all she has to do is click on the wrong link all by herself
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EDIT: Sorry, I think you're right. It has to be in someone's physical possession to hack it. Makes me feel a little better.
 
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oldguyshoot said:
THIS I agree with. Just don't underestimate what organized crime can do with backdoor access to your phone.
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With the consumer electronics manufacturers vying to replace your wallet with a phone, this is a real concern.

Apple Pay, Samsung Pay, and others offer a digital link to a credit card or bank account.

These payment schemes are largely viable due to the encryption central to this discussion.
 
I've been in the data recovery and computer forensics industry for the last 16 years, we work with all government entities and all branches of the military and are GSA awarded to provide these services. Our government, in and of itself, is NOT as tech savvy as you would hope to think. They rely on services, like ours, for hard core recovery/discovery. Today's AES standards are not breakable, simple as that. The iPhone isn't just simply password protected to access the OS, the data is hardware encrypted to boot.

This prevents even us from being able to perform a "Chip-Off" recovery wherein we trigger a raw data dump from the bare NANDs to access and rebuild the logical data (files). Other than Apple, I would say that 20% of the other NAND RAM based devices out there are hardware encrypted and soon all will be. There is NO WAY to get past this. If there were, we would be filthy rich from just the private sector. The data on this iPhone has already been kissed goodbye.
 
Have a guy from Apple go to FBI. He and a FBI agent sit in a room, to maintain the chain of evidence, he unlocks the phone and gets up and walks out of the room. *** is the issue with that?
 
GtownGeorge said:
Have a guy from Apple go to FBI. He and a FBI agent sit in a room, to maintain the chain of evidence, he unlocks the phone and gets up and walks out of the room. *** is the issue with that?
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This has been asked and replied to in the thread already.
 
GtownGeorge said:
Have a guy from Apple go to FBI. He and a FBI agent sit in a room, to maintain the chain of evidence, he unlocks the phone and gets up and walks out of the room. *** is the issue with that?
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Chain of evidence is fine but what about that code that's already written and in the phone. What do you do with that? Aside from that there are other ways to steel/get/acquire the code. Currently no such thing exists. Once it's made, it's made
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
After two months of being in posession of San Bernadino terrorist's iPhone, the Feds are now crying that they can't get into the phone to access data because they don't have Farook's password.

I must plead guilty of having more confidence in the Feds than they are worthy. The most sophisticated intelligence agencies on the planet... bested by an iPhone. :rolleyes:

Jack would have just handed it to Chloe.
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As soon as they get a valid warrant, Apple should unlock the phone and download all of it's contents onto a drive and hand that over to the feds.... PERIOD. They should NEVER give them the technology to unlock every phone without warrant.

It's too bad nobody had the stones to stand up to the Fed during the Bush admin when they bullied the phone carriers into feeding them all of our private calls.
 
One of the Feds was on the news whining about how they couldn't find out the other conspirators and people who trained them etc and as I listened to it I realized..... they already know what's on the phone so they probably already have broken into it.

The real point of this is the fact that phone makers are encrypting phones. The Feds have been looking for a reason to legally force them to leave a "back door" for LE's to use and this case was the perfect vehicle to drive that. Look for more high profile media whining about how the phone makers are "helping terrorists" and all that. The Fed wants free access and will be pushing hard.
 
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I don't pay attention to anything that goes on in Kalifornia. I quit watching the news long ago.
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I've heard there are people like that. To each his or her own, I reckon, and more power to 'em.

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I'm a realist who lives in the real world, though, so I prefer to stay informed about world events, especially those that involve mass murder by insane terrorists running around with guns in my country.



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bountyhunter said:
As soon as they get a valid warrant, Apple should unlock the phone and download all of it's contents onto a drive and hand that over to the feds.... PERIOD.
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With respect, some simple research (including reading this thread) would prove to you it's not that simple. The rest of what you said I agree with.
 
oldguyshoot said:
To access the phone, the FBI is "asking" to pay Apple to create an update to iOS "just for this phone" that wouldn't have the erase feature. The problem is that once Apple creates this as-yet-unwritten version of iOS, it WILL get out in the wild, AND the FBI and law enforcement will use it on any phone they please. There's nothing to stop a judge from ordering Apple to turn over this new iOS to the authorities once they create it.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that potential "foot in the door". The excuse will be "Oh, we must have the custom code to establish the chain of evidence. It won't be used anywhere else, honest". :rolleyes: Yeah, right.
 
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