What have you heard from fellow gun owners on gun control? I don't like what I'm hearing. Far too many are willing to give up on semi-autos ("assault weapons"), universal background checks, and other key issues. These folks apparently don't understand how throwing in the towel on these issues cripples the 2A. Your experience?
Gun owners contributing to loss of Second Amendment?
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These people are less and less common than they were. I'll not argue against gun owners frequently being our own worst enemy (and I definitely think the NRA's slide into non-gun politics was an incredibly boneheaded move that is going to hurt us), but the sales of ARs/similar rifles and defensive handguns outstrips hunting weapons by a wide margin, and has for some time. We've now probably got about the lowest Fudd/2A supporter ratio we've ever had with gun owners.
That may be, but when the media introduces them as "The gun owner who supports..." it hurts us. We need to educate these Fudds as we encounter them.
Depends where you live
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Just because there were 7 million new gun owners last year, you shouldn't expect anyone to suddenly give up on their core beliefs and become ardent supporters of every aspect of the fight for the 2nd Amendment. When someone buys a gun for the first time it certainly doesn't mean they now support owning "assault weapons" or are against "universal background checks" - especially if they don't own an assault weapon and successfully passed their own background check!
For example - I would very much like to own an electric vehicle, but since I pull trailers I drive a diesel pick-up truck. That certainly doesn't mean I'm now against electric vehicles, if you can see my point.
Many years ago, an officer of my union local told me that they only get about 20 people at any given union meeting. If anyone really wanted to change anything they could show up with 21 people at the next meeting and get whatever they wanted! Since the NRA has less than 5 million members, if all 7 million of these new gun owners held these opinions and became members, guess which way we would be heading?!?!
For example - I would very much like to own an electric vehicle, but since I pull trailers I drive a diesel pick-up truck. That certainly doesn't mean I'm now against electric vehicles, if you can see my point.
Many years ago, an officer of my union local told me that they only get about 20 people at any given union meeting. If anyone really wanted to change anything they could show up with 21 people at the next meeting and get whatever they wanted! Since the NRA has less than 5 million members, if all 7 million of these new gun owners held these opinions and became members, guess which way we would be heading?!?!
Location, location, location.
It would help the discussion if members who make sweeping general statements would reveal their general location. I'm also retired military and lived lots of different places with lots of different attitudes prevalent.
Where I live now (small town Oklahoma) is vastly different from my 5-year tour at the Pentagon. Thankfully.
It would help the discussion if members who make sweeping general statements would reveal their general location. I'm also retired military and lived lots of different places with lots of different attitudes prevalent.
Where I live now (small town Oklahoma) is vastly different from my 5-year tour at the Pentagon. Thankfully.
I'd say the time honored "no honest man needs ___" guy is less common and less harmful than the (often far too accurate) depictions of the gun community as increasingly conspiratorial right wingers. Armed people storming a pizza shop, a state capital, or whatever other craziness is occurring is doing their work, they don't need Bill Ruger type fudds.
I'd say location matters less than ever. Political issues are increasingly national (look at the in state/out of state donations for any state races that get natural attention) and that includes guns.
Far too many people, including gun owners, get their attitudes about types of guns and the kind of people who own them by watching the liberal news monster of the US.
To get a third post in, I'll go ahead and say fudds are barely a blip on the radar for our 2A issues. I've spend years doing outreach and women, people of color, people of different sexual orientations, people on different sides politically, and whoever else into shooting. I saw a lot of interest during the obama years from all types of people, and that sharply dropped during and after the 2016 election. I believe our biggest **** up was tying gun ownership to any side of our divisive politics, and that the association of guns with the far right (and make no mistake, this has increased, I do remember the days democrats at least paid lipservice to gun ownership as a right) is what has given antigunners the most ammo.
When someone buys a gun for the first time it certainly doesn't mean they now support owning "assault weapons" or are against "universal background checks"
Yeah, I certainly get that. The issue is we need to educate those folks. A daunting task.
"Gun owners contributing to loss of Second Amendment?"
Yup, they protest at state capital's in tactical gear carrying AR's. Some gather in front of a Governors residence armed to the teeth carrying protest signs.
Yup, they protest at state capital's in tactical gear carrying AR's. Some gather in front of a Governors residence armed to the teeth carrying protest signs.
I'm not sure we actively hitched our horse to that wagon. I think it was more just evolution. We favor those who favor the 2A. Most of those just happen to be conservatives.
That said, I'll tell you the real problem with many "pro 2A" Dems: when push comes to shove, they support the party, and the party is largely anti. Perfect example: in Ohio when Ted Strickland was running for gov, he was given an A+ rating. To my recollection, he didn't proffer any new 2A restrictions. BUT, when the time came to dress presidential candidate John Kerry in brand new camo, put into his hands a shotgun that he probably didn't even know how to operate, and march him into a duck marsh, it was Ted Strickland who was instrumental in the charade. And we know that Kerry is as anti as one can get.
I used to say voting a straight ticket was dumb. After that, I'm not so sure.
The time to stand up for our rights was many years ago. It is surely not to late to stand up for our rights NOW. The drivel from the media/politicians, & snowflakes is nauseating. Whether you like or dislike " bumpstocks" they were banned illegally!, ask ATF, Firearms atty, Even though they were not used in the tragedy, they were banned illegally. Most people I talk to are Locked and Loaded! We can not let this continue! Semper Fi, Be Safe,
You can NOT buy an ASSAULT Weapon at your local gun store, and you do not get to take it home that day, 9mo - 1 year if your lucky. An AR is not an assault weapon any more than a fiberglass shell on chassis is a Lamborghini, they may look similar, but that is where it ends aesthetics. Try to teach everyone, but many do not want to learn. Be Safe,
Geronimo Jim
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I think more and more gun owners understand the camels
nose under the tent and the slippery slope. Any win no matter
how small only whets their appetite for more and emboldens them.
nose under the tent and the slippery slope. Any win no matter
how small only whets their appetite for more and emboldens them.
wheelgun28
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I seem to recall the blonde Frankstein said "Can I get me a hun-tin lie cense"
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