Hardware question for my NYPD hero's here?

[dabney]

From this fine forum I have ascertained that the blue steel four-inch "Heavy Barrel" Model 10 was "the" six-gun for a lot of NYPD Officers in the 1960's and 70's. However I have viewed the four-inch "Standard Barrel" from photos of that time period and have noticed that the Standard BBL. Model 10 had a presence within the fine ranks of the NYPD. In a book (Badge of the Assasin) on the cold bloodied murder of two NYPD Officers in May 71 (Officers Piagentini & Jones), by black panthers, the author has photos of the recovered .38 duty arms of both slain officers. Officer Piagentini had the Colt Official Police (post war model) and Officer Jones had the Model 10 in a 4" Standard Barrel and closeup photos of both six-guns are included in the book. Not only this photo, but writings/photos of some gun magazine writers pointed to the standard barrel Model 10 time and again.

Can any of the NYPD supermen converse this point of heavy versus standard within the NYPD ranks? My thanks for your service and my thanks for any info shared. It is appreciated!

David

 

[shawn mccarver]

In the last few decades, at least, NYPD has not "issued" firearms in the traditional sense. Instead, officers purchased from an approved list through the equipment bureau. Different models were approved at different times, and the officers with those were generally allowed to keep carrying them even when the "list" was changed or updated.

Over the years, the standard and heavy barrel Model 10 were both approved, as were Colt OP, maybe the Metropolitan, a special non-exchangeable barrel Dan Wesson, various Rugers, and the Model 64 NY-1 models were all approved for duty use.

Therefore, it is not surprising to see different guns depending on when an officer started, or what an officer may have acquired later.

EDIT: I just re-read this thread. In my effort to be helpful to answer the OP's question, I should have pointed out that I am not an "NYPD hero" as mentioned in the title to this thread, nor do a play one on TV. To my NYPD friends, and to those of you who served on the NYPD, I apologize if I offended any of you. No one has "called me out" on this. I "called myself out" on this after looking again at the title. Thank you to NYPD, present and former, and to all of my other LE friends!

 

[824tsv]

By the crest it sounds like quite a dismal place to work. I have worked in my fair share of similar locations.

 

[mj2008]

I had a Model 64 NY-1, DAO with a heavy barrel, 4". You could have gotten the same gun in a 3" or a Ruger(I don't remember which model). Off duty options included a S&W model 640. I no longer have my original service gun but I still have in my EDC rotation that 640.

 

[NYPDS&W]

I believe in the 60's they changed to the heavy barrel, not sure what year. I came on in 1984 and had a model 10-8 heavy barrel. My Dad came on in 1957 and had an M&P pencil barrel with a target trigger. They were both purchased thru the NYPD. I still have both of them. The older gun is definetly lighter.

 

[sandmanfl]

I went on in Oct 1963 and was issued a heavy barrel model 10-6. You had a option to have the colt, it was issued by the PD equipment bureau.

 

[mj2008]

When I was in academy they took you up to the range and let you hold the different guns that you would be authorized to carry for your duty weapon. You then selected which one you liked and they issued one to you there at the range. You also had to pay for it. The off duty weapons were purchased on your own. I cant remember if they were available thru the equipment section then. I do remember that I purchased mine from a local gun shop and it had to be examined by the firearms tactics section before you were authorized to carry it.

 

[ralph7]

When I was in academy they took you up to the range and let you hold the different guys that you would be authorized to carry for your duty weapon. You then selected which one you liked and they issued one to you there at the range. You also had to pay for it. The off duty weapons were purchased on your own. I cant remember if they were available thru the equipment section then. I do remember that I purchased mine from a local gun shop and it had to be examined by the firearms tactics section before you were authorized to carry it.

Well, I heard that some get a chl because carrying a cop is too heavy, but....

 

[sandmanfl]

Retired Sargent. Sorry I am out along time 850XXX. I worked in the Bronx mostly Anti Crime Unit.

 

[rustythread]

Can anyone tell me what, and where on the revolver, were any NYPD department markings or inventory numbers? I have 2 Model 64s, with heavy 3-inch barrels and bobbed hammers. Both are all broke out with sets of letters or numbers, as if they had been traded off by one department and re-issued by another.

 

[Absalom]

A Model 10-6 I got on GB from a NY gun shop just got its letter last week. NYPD Equipment Bureau 1968. No markings, but came with a nice Mershon adapter installed.

 

[RichCapeCod]

Came on in 1969. Got my model 10 HB in 1971 (it's a long story). All model 10s at that time had HBs.

For the record the dept offered both service size and off-duty handguns at the Equipment Section. Some examples; Ruger Speed-Six, S&W 10, A couple of Colt models (I have a Detective Special I bought around 1972), lots of various J-frame S&Ws, even a time when they sold a fixed barrel Dan Wesson!

Mu model 10 I carried for 20 years while with the NYPD. Went to a Glock for the next 20 years as chief of police of a small Cape Cod PD.

 

[MajorD]

Can anyone tell me what, and where on the revolver, were any NYPD department markings or inventory numbers? I have 2 Model 64s, with heavy 3-inch barrels and bobbed hammers. Both are all broke out with sets of letters or numbers, as if they had been traded off by one department and re-issued by another.

As I understand it and this is mentioned here in other threads and various references. Because the gun was held by the pd storage and bought ( ultimately personal property of the officer) there were no nypd marking on guns. I further have heard for some time in earlier eras there was a requirement for an officer's badge number to be engraved on the backstrap.
The only with any sort of ny marking would be the model 64's since the nypd specifications were required and these were marked NY-1

 

[Absalom]

For the basics of NYPD sidearms history, including presence/absence of markings, go here:

R.M. Vivas & Son - Main Page

 

[mj2008]

Ralph7 thanks for noting my typo. Lol. I corrected it.