Has any one used copper to alloy with
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pawpaw1967
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lee molds.... WWs from the tire shop, and 4064 Powder 150 grain cast bullet round nose,.......???? oh yea 2740FPS with gas checks.... i call it good nuff, 1977 stevens .308 110 series k
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Gas Checks..... u ask???? Yup
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I do just happen to have a powder coater in my shop that I use to coat headers ect so I could defiantly give it a go and see how it turns out. I have had good results with gas checks but the whole reason I started this experiment was every time I go to get checks I cant find them then when I go to order online out of stock or backordered so I began looking for a way that didn't rely or anyone or in this case place. (I know it can be done) with good accuracy just gota find it. No this alloy doesn't have any leading so far just a pain
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venomballistics
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Gas Checks..... u ask???? Yup
How much leading?
What kind of accuracy?
I'm running a plain base 150G FP at 2500+ into a single hole out of an 06 using WW and the cheapest powder coat I can find.
Shouldn't take too much to put it right there with yours, without your storage problems or lube plugging up dies.
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Do you resize to accommodate the added layer of the coating.
venomballistics
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yes.
post coating, all traditional sizing and lil extra case bell still apply.
you just lose the gobbed up dies, and much of the traditional case lead drama like acceptable rates of leading, contaminated powder due to lube melting, the critical size for the throat thing that cannot always be done, the smoke, powder burn temp, having to put up with flea fart loads when nothing else works ... it's all gone after the full plastic jacket.
the issues do not return until we really start to push the upper fringe. To be honest, I have no idea how far it can be pushed.
I figure coatings coupled to your search for a super alloy should bear some extra fruit
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I think over the weekend I am going to use some of the alloy and give it a go I have some plain black pc industrial grade. I am kinda pumped to see how they shoot
venomballistics
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IME, they all worked amazingly well, some better than others but nothing sucked.
Im curious to see if you can break past 2700 with accuracy
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Yea I am looking forward to it I have ben getting set up this evening that way I can run tomorrow I am planning on doing some 357 and 45 auto in a gun vise to see what I get threw the chrono and the accuracy on paper. After this test time to step it up o6 or 308 so lets see what happens
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The results are in I set up the chrono had the target @ 15 yards. I decided for proof of concept I would just go for broke. for the 357mag I used 125gr RF and it hit 1990 with 22.2 gr of 300-MP accuracy was spot on grouping of 1 in to 1.5in with no leading. Now I have to say I am impressed with the results wow. As for the 45 I used a 200gr TC and hit 1146 with 8.7gr of BE-86 and again same grouping with accuracy and no leading. The only thing I regret was not having a video cam recording the test. But for the next test I will definitely have a camera going. And as am going to test the rifle loads I think I am going to test some of the more popular pistol calibers again. So there it is thoughts comments
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venomballistics
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powder coating ... its beautiful.
now migrate to a rifle and see how high you can take your alloy and coat.
no sleep till 3K
pawpaw1967
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IME, they all worked amazingly well, some better than others but nothing sucked.
Im curious to see if you can break past 2700 with accuracy
yes you can break past 2700 with accuracy, im shooting em outta of a old stevens at 100 yards 4 shot groups under an inch
venomballistics
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yes you can break past 2700 with accuracy, im shooting em outta of a old stevens at 100 yards 4 shot groups under an inch
what alloy are you using?
Nemo288
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You guys have certainly peaked my interest in coating.
I am shooting cast in the 444 which likes .432 bullets and can go over Mach 2.
The larger (280 and up) gas checks work fine but I have never shot
a cast 240 and this would be a nice way to make them fatter and stronger without a GC.
Many have bevel bases anyway.
Thanks for the education.
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I am shooting cast in the 444 which likes .432 bullets and can go over Mach 2.
The larger (280 and up) gas checks work fine but I have never shot
a cast 240 and this would be a nice way to make them fatter and stronger without a GC.
Many have bevel bases anyway.
Thanks for the education.
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pawpaw1967
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I'm using wheel weights and alox with gas checks. I size then lube no leading I've ever noticed and I clean my gins after each range trip
Nemo288
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Not all my gins end up clean after a trip to the range
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Not all my gins end up clean after a trip to the range
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and some are a bit slow
jackpearl
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I can tell you, babitt mixed half and half with wheel weights, makes a great bullet. I don't have a hardness tester but they shoot great and don't lead up my barrel.
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That is the same mix of alloy I tried over the weekend with coated 357 and they worked great with no leading. I didn't use lube or any checks, I was able to recover one of them and the coating had held up much like a jacked round. I think that the babbit mix resembles #2 in a lot of ways. the batch that I tested had a BHN of 16
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I am planning on it but the problem I am having is figuring out how I am going to capture the bullet. Since this is going to be a task with an 06. Honestly I wouldn't be worried about if I hadn't see the results from the 357 now I just gota know. Any ideas
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venomballistics
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I used to have a twin 15 inch speaker cabinet that I stuffed with old clothes and saturated with water. It caught everything
This was only defeated by a 50 BMG which unpacked and disassembled the cabinet in dramatic fashion.
Figure 24 x 24 x 32 long and it'll serve you well, short of a 50 of course.
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I would imagine it did and if it didn't I would have to say something is wrong. Thanks I will have to try that.
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venomballistics
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worked great and let me recover most of my lead.
In retrospect, I'd have rebuilt it out of plastic.
most woods do that ashes to ashes and dust to dust thing faster than you'd think when you have cloth holding water against it.
top can be open, which lets mother nature keep it moist, and keep some drainage holes in the bottom.
Front target area ... keep it cheap
In retrospect, I'd have rebuilt it out of plastic.
most woods do that ashes to ashes and dust to dust thing faster than you'd think when you have cloth holding water against it.
top can be open, which lets mother nature keep it moist, and keep some drainage holes in the bottom.
Front target area ... keep it cheap
Nemo288
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Find someone with a swimming pool they haven't drained yet for the winter.
Gotta have a deep end though.
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Gotta have a deep end though.
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Yea or we would end up draining it for them alright
