Here we go again NO AMMUNITION

[Muddyboot]

Originally Posted by Duckford
Yes, the lesson is, don't buy at the height of the market.

That's why nobody should be buying now.

Do we know if the market has peaked? World events may change the market in ways no one can predict.

 

[Bumpus13]

World affairs being what they are, I went online and ordered 500rnds of 9mm 115grfmj just in case. It came in 4 days and cost $191.00 delivered. This is not cheap and I don't own a 9mm but several of the younger folks in my family do and I don't want there to not be a little ammo just in case..........

… and some people are having difficulty seeing why prices/availability have become what they’ve become. *facepalm

 

[luvsmiths]

… and some people are having difficulty seeing why prices/availability have become what they’ve become. *facepalm

Why, because the man bought some ammo for the younger ones in his family who like to shoot, and own firearms. And had NO ammo.

Talk about facepalm. Get a clue. And mind your own business about who is buying what. He's providing for his family.

"Worry about yourself, don't worry about what he's doing" as my long gone grandmother used to say.

 

[AlHunt]

World affairs being what they are, I went online and ordered 500rnds of 9mm 115grfmj just in case. It came in 4 days and cost $191.00 delivered. This is not cheap and I don't own a 9mm but several of the younger folks in my family do and I don't want there to not be a little ammo just in case..........

If the price ever comes down, you can just explain that you didn't pay too much - you just bought too early.

Myself, if prices recede to sane levels, I'm going to climb down off Mount Ammo and go build 2 more mountains.

 

[Bumpus13]

Why, because the man bought some ammo for the younger ones in his family who like to shoot, and own firearms. And had NO ammo.

Talk about facepalm. Get a clue. And mind your own business about who is buying what. He's providing for his family.

"Worry about yourself, don't worry about what he's doing" as my long gone grandmother used to say.

No. It’s because of the panic mentality of buying **** you don’t even need just because “everybody else is” - It’s simply FOMO ****, and it’s why everybody is still in this mess in the first place.

Nobody’s saying his family members who like to shoot (and you know presumably actually own 9mm firearms in their homes so they would have a use for 9mm ammo) shouldn’t be able to buy their own ammo if they feel the desire for it. For the record, he didn’t say anything about his family members not having any ammo, or even not being able to find more ammo … He said he bought it “just in case” - twice. This is panic buying.

Especially since (and yes, I’m reading a bit between the lines here so I might be a little off base but …) it’s very likely that those 500 rounds he just panic bought will simply end up sitting in storage unused in his house for years. So, it most likely wasn’t a rational decision, but one that has been playing out all across the country for two years now by panicky people who are feeding off of each others anxieties.

Just like a lot of other people are still doing.

Because they’re panicking.

And yet some of us can’t seem to figure out why the current ammo crunch is as bad as it’s been or is lasting as long as it has.

“We have met the enemy, and he is us.”

 

[kamloops67]

So all the governments didn’t have any stockpiles ? Didn’t they learn from the last couple shortages? lol

 

[John Patrick]

So all the governments didn’t have any stockpiles ? Didn’t they learn from the last couple shortages? lol

The conundrum.

Governments are run by people. I suspect a similar percentage of governments are well stocked as members here.

The difference is that the governments aren’t whining about me buying ammo and shooting.

 

[Imissedagain]

JBJ
Just Blame Janis.

Oh Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz,
Bought my friends tons of Ammo
so they can Defend.
Now my pockets are empty
So it's a bus to Fort Hood,
For some full auto fun
And a Kalik afterward.

 

[tops]

I don't want there to not be a little ammo just in case..........

I believe that's good planning. I have money in the bank that I'm not planning on using anytime soon but I have it there just in case. I have insurance just in case. I try to have plenty of everything I might need just in case. Instead of complaining I try to plan just in case. Remember the five Ps just in case. Larry

 

[rosewood]

Academy and Bass Pro both had full shelves yesterday, of course still missing certain rifle rounds, but as for 9mm and .223, they have plenty. I even picked up 1000 large pistol magnum primers at BPS, granted it was the only box they had.

Rosewood

 

[Imissedagain]

Then there was a nervous guy at the range.
Told me he bought 20K or so of 5.56 ammo and lotsa new guns etc etc.
When asked how many gallons of drinking water he kept on hand, it was also storm season, he replied that he kept TWO gallons in the house.

After waiting over an hour to get a lane, he fired ten and packed up.
What's up I asked and the now even more nervous guy said he's going to buy water.

The funny part was him trying to pull both the set trigger and the other one at the same time with no ammo nearby.
He had claimed to know everything about guns.
I then took the bolt out if my pocket and said that this might help.
Then he tried puling both triggers again.

 

[Smokester653]

Love Reading These Posts

I enjoy reading these posts and the broad range of theories as to why ammo "drys up" and stays so expensive. My thought as to who ultimately is to blame...US. Yep to me it's an easy one to figure out. The ones that if a mouse farts in the woods we run out and buy every last box because we think we have to pass on to the next generation 50,000 rounds of 9mm because it won't be there tomorrow. The ones that see that golden opportunity to make a buck or two so they buy every last round of every caliber they can get their hands on then run to GunXXX to sell at a bloated price. Heck if I was Cheaper Than Dirt or whoever else why the heck would I lower the price when I got a market foaming at the mouth for a box of whatever. Why would I as a store lower the price when I have a line of guys waiting at the door for that box of .22.....

 

[Muddyboot]

I enjoy reading these posts and the broad range of theories as to why ammo "drys up" and stays so expensive. My thought as to who ultimately is to blame...US. Yep to me it's an easy one to figure out. The ones that if a mouse farts in the woods we run out and buy every last box because we think we have to pass on to the next generation 50,000 rounds of 9mm because it won't be there tomorrow. The ones that see that golden opportunity to make a buck or two so they buy every last round of every caliber they can get their hands on then run to GunXXX to sell at a bloated price. Heck if I was Cheaper Than Dirt or whoever else why the heck would I lower the price when I got a market foaming at the mouth for a box of whatever. Why would I as a store lower the price when I have a line of guys waiting at the door for that box of .22.....

Those type of ammo buyers do exist, no doubt. But you won't find many of that type on this site. You will find a lot who have been keeping a good ammo stock since the first years of the Clinton administration, or before.

We saw what was happing, and planned ahead. It only made sense to do so. Lots of us don't have to buy ammo now, and don't. Only a few years ago, I encourage people to buy ammo during the good times, knowing something would again, as so many times before, cause a run on ammo.

I don't know if prices will ever return to what they were before. I hope they do, it's better for all of us. But I'll continue to encourage people to buy whatever they can afford, and have room to store, same for reloading.

It's as it was long ago, the sensible thing to do.

 

[686-380]

It's a fun topic but unproductive

How much ammunition do I "need"? All of what I have. There is certainly a point of diminishing marginal returns though...unless you're out to profiteer.

While I do need all I got, I'm still going to do some shooting this Spring, Summer and Fall. I won't bother replenishing what I use. At my age, I don't want to get kicked off "Survivor Island" with a bunch of "hidden immunity idols" gathering dust. If I run into a family member who could use some, I may spare a round or two...YOLO!!!

 

[llowry61]

I am with muddyboot, I have my share of ammo and components purchased quite a while back. I will be retiring in May and will have the time to do the reloading that I can't seem to get to now. Generally, I shoot my reloads and just hold on to the factory stuff. I started reloading for 44 and 357 because as other said you really could buy 9MM cheaper than you could reload it. Used to be the same for dove loads. You could buy a case of 7.5 Remington low brass dove loads for 59.00 bucks. Do not know if those days will ever return, but ammo is like gas it goes up and down a lot. Unfortunately, I don't have a thousand-gallon tank to lay in gas for the future! Can you imagine the hoarding that would take place?????

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Didnt you listen to what he said in vid.( obviously not- as he also keeps repeating that he hears this same **** every day) There are SO MANY NEW shooters. Look at all the guns being sold. You think all those people may want a few hundred rounds for each?

A few hundred times millions of people adds up.

It is not hoarding when you shoot. For me to lay back 20K rounds of each 9mm, 223, and 45 ACP, when I will shoot it is not hoarding. We're shooting. The ones waiting for 9 dollar a box 9mm aren't.

Can you shoot 5k rounds of each this summer if you want?
I'll shoot a 500-1000 of 223 every weekend through the summer, if I choose to.

Don't come down on those of us that can....and DO actually shoot.

And I will continue to add as *I* see fit. Not as *YOU* see fit FOR me, but thanks for your concern.
Everyone else is free to do the same, if they desire, as you have your silent protest.

I agree. I am a recreational shooter/hunter. I have always kept a"buffer" to keep shooting through these bad times. I chuckle at those whiners who say we are our own worst enemy.......Tain't so.

 

[kbm6893]

Another reloading genius

Let's get an estimate on the costs of reloading this, ok?
For the sake of transparency let's give a real estimate, for someone starting from scratch.

Reloading tools, for whatever calibers.

Bullets- and give a true price. Not everyone smelts lead, or has tons of it laying around. For those who do, include the cost of molds, ladles, melting pots, etc. And whatever heat source you use to do so... we're not gonna do it on the BBQ grill.
Otherwise, include the cost of bullets.

Cases- and be open and forthcoming with this. Not everybody gets to scavenge other guys's range discards. If you're reloading your own cases, be sure to include the original price of acquisition. Be it Starline, or reloading some stuff you once bought new... we're starting from scratch, remember?

Primers- and again, we're not talking about what you have leftover from years past. You need to list current price if available.

Powder, same deal.

Now, do multiple calibers, so multiple dies, primer sizes, powders (*this is a big concern for new folk. You can't go taking any ol' powder and make it allpurpose).


I DON'T OPPOSE reloading, but there are folks who have been doing it awhile, that make it sound so easy and cheap. There are plenty of upfront costs, a learning curve, and time and workspace requirements that they fail to mention. In comparison, if you buy a case of ammo fully made, you just worry about where to store it.

Now is not the time to get into reloading. Primers are almost impossible to get and so is powder. It would be stupid to get started now.

But it would be more stupid to not get into it if this situation does calm down. I started right after Newtown. My only regret is I didn’t buy bricks of primers when they were available all day for $35. I have a few bricks left and thousands of rounds loaded. And I’m still loading 100 9MM rounds for about $13.

 

[ddixie884]

I agree it's not the best price around but $19/50 rounds isn't all that bad these days.

Natchez has Blazer Brass 115gr FMJ ammo priced at $349.99/1000 rounds. That's 34¢ a round instead of 38¢ a round that you paid. $17 a box beats $19 any day.

I'm not trying to push a site, I'm only trying to save our members some money.

I gave 34 cents before tax and shipping. I bought S&B as I think Euro ammo is hotter than bargain US brands...........

I already had about 1,000 rnds of fmj and a coupla hundred rnds SD ammo so I wasn't out.
The younger folks in my family are taking care of themselves for the most part.
At the height of the scare I did give my daughter 100 .380 and an older woman that is like family a couple of boxes of .38spl 1 lead ball and one 135grGDSBSB. as she had only the 12rnds in her two HD guns.
I didn't buy the 500rnds for plinking but just in case..............

 

[max503]

I've been loading more on my single stage and less on my progressive press. Makes me more mindful and uses less components. I'll shoot 50 rounds instead of 100 on a range trip.

 

[cmj8591]

We are not going to make the price of ammo go down by not buying it. On the contrary, over the long term, the price will go up because the ammo manufactures will respond to the lack of demand by reducing production. We are actually better off if people keep buying as much as they can. In that case, and what we are seeing at this point, the manufactures will expand production to meet demand. That's why we are seeing more 9mm and 223 than anything else. The military and police demand for it is driving what the ammo companies are producing first as they restart production. There is a high demand, hence, there is high production. Unless you have been sleeping for the last two years, you might have noticed that the economy has shut down for a while. It's going to take some time to catch up. This price bump is being driven by a slow down in the economy and the supply chain. Not people stocking up for the zombie apocalypse. As to $9 a box 9mm, we may not see that for a while. Not because people are buying it all, but because the 22% or so inflation we are experiencing makes a dollar worth about 80% of what it was worth two years ago. If you feel like you're being taken advantage of at 16 bucks a box, by all means, keep your hand in your pocket. If you like to shoot, then keep shooting as long as you can afford to. If you're flush and you need the security of having 100000 rounds on hand, buy, buy, buy. If you have a lot of free time on your hands and you like waiting for the truck to show up at the local Wally World so you can buy a couple of boxes of 22's, enjoy. I don't even care if you're selling it at the gun show for a 200% profit. Good on you. Because none of this is having any real effect on the general availability or price of ammo right now. Economic forces way beyond this hobby are driving everything right now and the only thing that is going to improve things is time. Buy away!