I have never been a conspiracy theorist but

[James&theGiant1911]

do you all know that federal agencies including military installations do not recognize the state issued CCWs? if you are caught with a concealed weapon on a federal military installation then you will have that weapon taken from you and will probably never see it again.

Among chem- trails, 2nd amendment attacks, and NATO

I am fully on board with the tin foil hats.........

 

[USAF385]

What's scary is bases are starting to have permanent residents register their firearms.

 

[aguablanco]

This may be news to a small group of people on this forum, however, it is not anything that started recently. My first CCW was issued around '83 and the laws then prohibited military bases, Federal buildings, state county and municipal buildings and airports. Did I mention police stations as well? Even when I was in the Navy in the early 70's one couldn't bring firearms on base. I don't understand how this is something conspiratorial. I'm willing to be educated.
RichH

 

[Climber]

Let me add my .02......West Germany 1970....U.S. Army. Over a period of a few months I purchased through the U.S. Air Force run Wiesbaden Rod and Gun Club two rifles and a shotgun. With each purchase I had to get my CO's written permission and then register the guns with the Mainz MP office. Because I lived in the barracks the guns had to be stored in our company arms room but I could take them out any time I wanted and go to the range. Had I lived off base I could have kept the guns at home.

As a sidebar to this and a whole another story.....When I left Germany for the states I carried all three cased guns through Rhein-Main airport in Frankfort, through military security and boarded the plane for JFK. The guns were stored in a closet behind the cockpit. When I got to JFK I carried the cased guns through the airport and boarded a plane for Atlanta and the guns went in the overhead. When I got to Atlanta I carried the guns through the airport and was picked up by family. The only questions asked of me was "Do you have any ammo?" The answer was no every time. I doubt that I raised any eyebrows through any of my travels.

My, my, how times have changed.

 

[JJEH]

What's scary is bases are starting to have permanent residents register their firearms.

Well, there's more to it. If you live on post you have to register your firearms. If you live off post but want to use the POW range you have to register as well. Everybody has to register, active, spouses and retirees (whoever brings them on post). At least that how it is here at Ft. Sill.

 

[SMSgt]

OP, the world is round. Did you know that?

 

[Old TexMex]

Chem trails, I don't know anything about.
NATO, not sure what they're up to.
2nd Amendment attacks: not a theory, but there is conspiracy(by definition).
Federal restriction of personal firearm possession on federal property: also not a theory, but the law.
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Tinfoil is for baking potatoes.

 

[M29since14]

Guess what? Don't drive into Canada with one in your glove box, either.

Really, this is old hat and nothing to be concerned about. Federal installations are not state property and operate in their own world, with their own rules. No one is going to change that.

 

[USAF385]

Chem trails, I don't know anything about.

It's funny how just by looking at a weather map I can predict with perfect accuracy if planes will leave contrails that linger and spread out into cirrus clouds or if they'll just dissipate. Oops, I mean chemtrails...

 

[James&theGiant1911]

Chem-trail = Genetically engineered crop seeds

NATO = one world government

2nd amendment = disarmed citizens/ robots so they can sheep herd everyone

Barry Seal and Operation 40

it is all there whether you all choose to believe it or not is up to you.

 

[REM 3200]

Well, there's more to it. If you live on post you have to register your firearms. If you live off post but want to use the POW range you have to register as well. Everybody has to register, active, spouses and retirees (whoever brings them on post). At least that how it is here at Ft. Sill.

I entered the Army in 1963 and that was the way it was then.

 

[Hapworth]

it is all there whether you all choose to believe it or not is up to you.

Well, if we stick to evidence, facts, reason and logic, believing in something or not shouldn't be matter of personal choice

We also can't legally carry in the post office -- doesn't mean chemtrails are real.

 

[Old TexMex]

They can't put anything on the internet that isn't true. (I know that's true because I read it on the internet.)
Conspiracy theories are a great way to keep people arguing amongst themselves while the framework is being dismantled. Sort of the way an illusionist makes jumbo jets disappear, or a pickpockets stall takes a big balloon to a parade (look up, look up!) oops, bumped into you, sorry...

 

[OFT II]

I entered the Army in 1963 and that the way it was then.

I joined in '62 and it was the same. When I came back from overseas I had to keep my Walther P38 stored in the arms room. If I wanted to use it I had to check it out and return it when finished.

 

[HereSinceTheLongHunters]

James, check out Darpa's activities... now that'll keep you up night....

..baked potatoes...!

 

[gm272gs]

OP, the world is round. Did you know that?

Now that's just plain mean, wingnut.

 

[Poodle Soup]

No guns in federal buildings. First thing they told us in ccw class when telling us where NOT to carry. Federal buildings, schools, the state fair grounds, and casinos. (for Iowa anyways)

Ive heard you can carry in national parks now... as long as you dont walk into ANY of the buildings (including restrooms) with a gun on you.

 

[WC145]

Schools are off limits, too, I hear. Might be just a rumor but if they've closed off military bases, federal buildings, and post offices, anything is possible.

Never seen a chemtrail, but I have seen a bullet leave a contrail.

 

[ispcapt]

Ive heard you can carry in national parks now... as long as you dont walk into ANY of the buildings (including restrooms) with a gun on you.

A bit more to it than just being able to carry in any national park. You have to be legal to carry in the state where the national park is located to carry within that national park. So if a state does not honor your IA permit then you cannot carry in the national park located in that state.

And who would have thought a person couldn't CCW on a military installation. That's probably where the government is storing all those billions and billions of rounds of ammo that they are buying up. Nope, no conspiracy here.

 

[epantoja]

As a sidebar to this and a whole another story.....When I left Germany for the states I carried all three cased guns through Rhein-Main airport in Frankfort, through military security and boarded the plane for JFK. The guns were stored in a closet behind the cockpit. When I got to JFK I carried the cased guns through the airport and boarded a plane for Atlanta and the guns went in the overhead. When I got to Atlanta I carried the guns through the airport and was picked up by family. The only questions asked of me was "Do you have any ammo?" The answer was no every time. I doubt that I raised any eyebrows through any of my travels.

My, my, how times have changed.

I agree, times have changed. Try doing that now a days and you probably won't make it from the airports parking area to the terminal building without being arrested.

 

[Ranger514]

No guns in federal buildings. First thing they told us in ccw class when telling us where NOT to carry. Federal buildings, schools, the state fair grounds, and casinos. (for Iowa anyways)

Ive heard you can carry in national parks now... as long as you dont walk into ANY of the buildings (including restrooms) with a gun on you.

ispcapt is correct about needing a valid concealed carry permit recognized in the state where the National Park is located in order to legally carry inside the Park . While you can't carry into a federal building that is staffed by federal employees in a National Park, such as the Visitor Center, Ranger Station, or Park Administration Building, restroom buildings are not regularly staffed by Park employees. Concession buildings inside a National Park, typically food service facilities and gift shops are not staffed by NPS (federal) employees, and the concessionaire has the choice of allowing concealed carry in those buildings. The NPS has placed signs on all doorways of the buildings where firearms are not allowed.

 

[Poodle Soup]

ispcapt is correct about needing a valid concealed carry permit recognized in the state where the National Park is located in order to legally carry inside the Park . While you can't carry into a federal building that is staffed by federal employees in a National Park, such as the Visitor Center, Ranger Station, or Park Administration Building, restroom buildings are not regularly staffed by Park employees. Concession buildings inside a National Park, typically food service facilities and gift shops are not staffed by NPS (federal) employees, and the concessionaire has the choice of allowing concealed carry in those buildings. The NPS has placed signs on all doorways of the buildings where firearms are not allowed.

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[JJEH]

I joined in '62 and it was the same. When I came back from overseas I had to keep my Walther P38 stored in the arms room. If I wanted to use it I had to check it out and return it when finished.

That's interesting. You couldn't take your POW with home?

 

[TexasArmed]

This may be news to a small group of people on this forum, however, it is not anything that started recently. My first CCW was issued around '83 and the laws then prohibited military bases, Federal buildings, state county and municipal buildings and airports. Did I mention police stations as well? Even when I was in the Navy in the early 70's one couldn't bring firearms on base. I don't understand how this is something conspiratorial. I'm willing to be educated.
RichH

That is interesting that this was the case. Wonder why they did not make Major Hasaan register his at Ft. Hood?

 

[aguablanco]

That is interesting that this was the case. Wonder why they did not make Major Hasaan register his at Ft. Hood?

Could it be that he brought it on base illegally? As we have all stated numerous times, criminals don't obey our laws, that's basically what makes them criminals. Compliance with most laws is voluntary and even perhaps on the honor system. When one has no honor, the law means nothing.
RichH

 

[1fly2ty]

I go to Mountain Home AFB every couple of months, and was purchasing an Ar-15 at the base exchange, yes they sell all types of firearms. I said to the guy that I had my CW permit but was disappointed that when we make the 70 mile drive to the base I have to leave my firearm at home! His comment was why, your allowed to bring an unloaded firearm on bas as long as its unloaded and cased, he said just stop before you get to the main gate unload and put it in a case and your good to go, so thats what I have done for the last year or so. Sometimes it pays to ask what the rules are.

 

[JeffF64]

I go to Mountain Home AFB every couple of months, and was purchasing an Ar-15 at the base exchange, yes they sell all types of firearms. I said to the guy that I had my CW permit but was disappointed that when we make the 70 mile drive to the base I have to leave my firearm at home! His comment was why, your allowed to bring an unloaded firearm on bas as long as its unloaded and cased, he said just stop before you get to the main gate unload and put it in a case and your good to go, so thats what I have done for the last year or so. Sometimes it pays to ask what the rules are.

Same at Ft. Stewart, as long as it is unloaded and seperate ammo seperate from Gun, but only supposed to be if your going to the MWR Range to shoot. also here if you purchase a gun at the exchange it is automatically going to be registered on Post.

the Soldiers that have POW's (Personnally Owned Weapons) if they live in housing can keep their guns at home, if they live in the barracks must keep them in the Company Arms Room, make arrangemnnets with the Company Armorer everytime they want them out to go to the range, both must be registered on Post reguardless of where purchased. That being said i would bet there is a POW in someones barracks room and purchased off post so it's not registered on post. someone already mentioned it but unless your willing to obey the rules its kinda on the honor system until you get caught, then your trying to get out of Article 15 for having it un registered in your barracks room.

What gets me about Georgia Carry Permit is that if your a Soldier on Active Duty you can legally Carry in the State, but as soon as you retired or get out of service you have to get Carry Permit, not sure what people think but the vast majority of Soldiers do not qualify, carry or train with a hand gun very few MOS's use pistol as primary weapon most only have been trained with the M16 or M4. and that is the premiss that they can leagally carry in Georgia as they have had training in the Service, kinda big differnce between a pistol and rifle.

 

[OFT II]

That's interesting. You couldn't take your POW with home?

If I lived in the housing area I could but my home was a cadre room in the barracks so I had to check it with the armorer. He was a friend of mine so he never mentioned anything if I checked it out on Friday afternoon and didn't return it until Monday morning.

Always good to have the supply clerk, armorer, company clerk and mess steward as buddies. I was a medic (MOS 911) and took care of their needs also.

 

[Roy Odhner]

Served in the Navy from 1982 - 2005. Privately owned firearms were tightly controlled, and had to be registered and stored in certain places. This is nothing new, and I can only attribute this recent buzz about no guns on base to the Tin Foil Hat Brigade. There is no deep or dark conspiracy here, just a long-standing policy that is a lot older than me.
Bottom line is that if you don't like it, then don't volunteer to serve because it's not going to change anytime soon.

 

[timn8er]

Most states don't recognize other state's CCW permits, so I guess I wouldn't expect anything different from the Feds.

Actually I don't believe that's true. most states have reciprocity agreements between them. There's only a very small number that don't honor the reciprocity agreement.