Liquor Store Clerks Shoot Armed Robber (Video)

Given the situation and all of the stress, I thought they did admirably. They kept their head. Notice the daughter on the phone. Then assessing the situation and offering backup for Mom. Well Done Ladies!
 
RGVshooter said:
Wow.... wow, wow, wow.

Those ladies are lucky to be alive. This is a clear example of why you continue shooting until the threat has stopped. I can perfectly understand the desire or will not to want to kill someone but in this case the women should have kept on firing. The bad guy wrestled the gun from the older lady, at that point the daughter should have just emptied her gun on him. He was trying to kill them.
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If the mother was using a snub .38 she was out of ammo, and could not have kept firing without a reload. Which she was not in a position to accomplish. From the lack of muzzle flip I have to wonder what ammo she was firing.

But like others here, I won't second-guess them, only salute them for their courage and willingness to open fire in self-defense.

The remotely locked door only seems to be a good idea if the perp can be caught between two doors with bulletproof glass. Or spotted soon enough to shut him out.
 
Looks to me that the mother was expecting a one shot stop. She would fire a round then stop to look what happened. It's not in all of us to keep pumping away until the target goes down.
 
fiasconva said:
One the things this video shows is that the one-shot stop is a myth. Anyone who still believes this should watch this video over and over again.
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Yep, when it comes to handguns, you either disrupt the CNS or create major rapid bleeding.

Also, data has shown that not everyone reacts the same when shot in a non-vital area. Some will quit the fight while others don't even flinch.
 
A mistake that I don't want to make.....

When the perp was isolated and in front of them, they should have shot either until the threat was stopped or the gun was empty. In this video you can see what is all too real. People don't get shot and fall down. Anybody with sense would be out of there at the first shot. BUT MANY CRIMINALS ARE SENSE-LESS from mindset if not from drugs. Armies have found that sometimes their attackers are so juiced up from getting ready for battle that they don't fall down when shot either.

Edit: I see that I have repeated what others have said, but that's good. We all have the right idea.
 
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moosedog said:
What people who have never been in a shooting don't realize is that you experience an Adrenaline rush into your blood stream. This is the classic experience of "Fight or flight".
The effects of the Adrenaline rush is that it alters your audio and visual perception but even more critical is that it's diminishes your fine motor skills which effect your trigger pulls and you end up working off of muscle memory thus jerking the trigger.
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If you are reverting on muscle memory in critical situations, then proper training is the solution to effective performance. The problem is very few people engage in proper practice. This video is must watch. Pay close attention to what the says at 1:54

AIMING IS USELESS! 3 Secrets To Great Shooting | Rob Leatham 6x IPSC World Champion! - YouTube
 
Lucky pair of ladies. It is horrifying to look how the perp comes back for more......I wonder what calibers were involved?

This video surely finishes the myth of the magic bullet/caliber....shot placement along with training and cold nerves rule.
 
The cold hard truth

Position is King, Penetration is Queen, Stopping power is the Joker

Losts of talk about caliber, any caliber in the right place will do.

"Any one you can walk away from was good one!"
 
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So here is my conundrum. I can put 9 .17 HM2s or 9 60 grain .22 LRs into a group I can cover with an Eisenhower Dollar, and I can put 6 .17 HMRs into the same space or 7 .22 WMRs. But I EDC a .38 that I can put 5 shots into a space covered by 125 percent of a hockey puck. If placement is truly king, should I not reconsider, but a 148/150 grain LWC is potent.
 
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Ziggy2525 said:
Lots of discussion over time in this forum about the effectiveness of different rounds. I think it's interesting that the BG was shot with what, 3 or 4 .38 special rounds and 1 .380 round, all at close range and kept on fighting.
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One more good reason(and maybe the best reason) to carry a .45!
 
TomkinsSP said:
So here is my conundrum. I can put 9 .17 HM2s or 9 60 grain .22 LRs into a group I can cover with an Eisenhower Dollar, and I can put 6 .17 HMRs into the same space or 7 .22 WMRs. But I EDC a .38 that I can put 5 shots into a space covered by 125 percent of a hockey puck. If placement is truly king, should I not reconsider, but a 148/150 grain LWC is potent.
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If only one of the rounds you mention hits the right place then the fight is stopped, so I guess....
 
+1 on the replies noting the proper course would be to empty the guns into BG. Then if he keeps coming, hit him over the head with a half gallon of the cheap stuff (don't waste jameson on the prick). I wonder how many school shooters there would be if each school had a couple dozen staff members like these two ladies?
 
therealsmithfan said:
+1 on the replies noting the proper course would be to empty the guns into BG. Then if he keeps coming, hit him over the head with a half gallon of the cheap stuff (don't waste jameson on the prick). I wonder how many school shooters there would be if each school had a couple dozen staff members like these two ladies?
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But that would be "escalating the violence".

You're just supposed to die meekly to maintain the narrative. Besides, what makes your life more valuable than that of a multiple murderer?

I think I have the script memorized...

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At 1:55 of the video the thug has fallen to the left of the cash register. He then continues to show, from more falling & flailing, the effect of the rounds. As he leaves the store his body is contorted to one side and he appears to be staggering.
Many comments ignored the obvious effects of the shots that hit him.
 
Tyree1867 said:
At 1:55 of the video the thug has fallen to the left of the cash register. He then continues to show, from more falling & flailing, the effect of the rounds. As he leaves the store his body is contorted to one side and he appears to be staggering.
Many comments ignored the obvious effects of the shots that hit him.
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That's a good observation. The exertion of the struggle with the mother for the handgun no doubt increased his heart rate and thus loss of blood. So the mother may have saved both her and her daughter's lives by putting up a vigorous, if unsuccessful, physical fight. It was successful in the end.
 
Mule Packer said:
Like they say, "Hindsight is 20/20." We can probably all give advice on what those women could've, should've, or would've done. The bottom line is that when "push came to shove," those two gals were able to stand their ground and fight back.

Could shot placement have been better? Yep, but when adrenaline starts surging through the ol' system, it's not the easiest thing in the world to group your shots.

Two tough little ladies, in my opinion. Just glad they weren't hurt.
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Exactly! Each of us likes to think that we would react and do just the right thing at just the right time. That we would get off a perfectly placed shot like the gun store guy did! Truth is that almost all of us will never know what we would do, thankfully. When the shtf, all bets are off. Second guessing what others did when the shtf is of little value, but learning from what they did do has great value.
 
Would be interesting to know what caliber(s) they were using. based on size of handguns, and apparent light recoil, I'm thinking perhaps .32, .380. maybe .38 special. If that's the case, makes you wonder how much less he would have kept coming back for more if it was 9mm, or even better .357mag or .45acp? Both of them could have probably ran out of the store or into locked room for safety, which may have been the wiser choice vs. gun fight (they really lucked out there). From what i saw on the news, they knew him as regular customer. Since he had no mask, it puts them at greater risk as he might shoot them both in the head on the way out the door, to avoid later identification. I've seen too many stories and videos of BG's shooting un-armed clerks "just because". It's the thug thing to do. Love to see folks leveling the playing field by becoming trained and armed. When it's common knowledge that there is most likely a gun in the hands of a good guy, in most places, bad guys will switch to id theft, drug dealing, etc...instead of armed robbery.
 
therealsmithfan said:
Would be interesting to know what caliber(s) they were using. based on size of handguns, and apparent light recoil, I'm thinking perhaps .32, .380. maybe .38 special. .
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Since it was five shots fired out of the revolver I would bet that it is a 38spl. It looks like an early 2" Taurus, and one that is the heavy stainless models weighing about 23oz. They were heavier than the S&W equivalent. . The small semi auto appears to be a small stainless slide with an exposed hammer.
 
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