Marijuana Question

[joonbis]

For one thing if you can smoke 9 joints on the way to work, you better look for another supplier. Another thing is it may stay in your system for 30 days or more and even longer in your hair, but the sensitivity on these tests are usually set for 2 weeks or even less, so second hand most likely won't be positive. I know several who have smoked two weeks prior to a ua and came up clean. I remember way back around 1972 there was an attempt to legalize it and did have alot of support but failed.

 

[Straightshooter2]

The Drug Free Workplace Act of 1988 requires all federal grantees or contractors with more than $25,000 in property or services to set up drug free workplaces. This means all employees who work for an airline providing mail carriage are subject to random drug testing and termination if failing the test. I would imagine because of this, drug testing will become more prevalent among the airlines providing service in and out of Colorado.

It's been set up since I retired but I believe Delta now has an employee assistance program protecting your job and providing treatment if you voluntarily reveal addiction to illegal or prescription drugs.

CW

 

[deadin]

I wonder if with all the license fees, production costs, purity inspections, storefront requirements, taxes, etc., etc., it will turn out to be cheaper to just buy your weed from the corner pusher.
(Kind of like buying cigarettes on the Indian reservation.)

 

[arjay]

I think a lot of voters here look at how prohibition handed the mob a lot more money and power than they had before hand and here we are creating very wealthy and ruthless cartels in Mexico.Its time to try something else.

 

[thebeamanater107]

I'd say yes you can be fired for breaking federal law. The purpose of a drug test is to lower business insurance. If your employees are peeing hot and not being fired, business insurance goes up.

Also, a "no guns" policy makes business insurance cheaper.

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[1morethan8]

 

[mtelkhntr]

To do is to be and to be is to do. Dooby, dooby, dooby do!

 

[williamlayton]

What about the two Martini lunch. Boys drinking has long been an undiciplined rule of thumb in most places---around or using heavy equipment excluded.
Smoking dope has always been about the same.
I smoked dope for years---then it became too much of a hassle and I lost interest.
Would I smoke it again---at 73, in a heartbeat. I got right when we did a river cruise from Budapest to Amsterdam 4 years ago.
Do people die because of its effect ? Well, sure and from a lot of other things.
I really think it is a non-issue.
Blessings

 

[steelslaver]

I work for contract companies in oil refineries mostly in WA state. There are several national testing companies. If you fail a drug test even for pot and even if it is state legal or you have a medical pot card you will be suspended from work for the first offense, length depending on evaluation. 2nd offense will cost you 2 years. During the suspension you will not be allowed to work for any employer that uses that drug testing association.

State legal doesn't cut it. Interestedly enough you can have something like Oxycontin in your system and be fine as long as you have a Rx. You don't even have to tell your employer prior to testing as per medicinal privacy laws. What gets me as a supervisor is I have lost several good hands that probably smoke a little on the weekends and never a problem to me. But, during big jobs I always get a few who I strongly suspect of being some kind of powder head. They pass the test because it passes through their system so fast. Even the safety dept people often agree we are getting the wrong people. Oh, well everyone knows the rules.

 

[Onomea]

About marijuana and work, there is a difference from alcohol consumption.

Most employers, including law enforcement, DoD and its contractors, etc., don't mind if you drink while not working. (And being drunk on the job would likely get you fired, of course. As should being stoned, in most occupations anyway.) But as I understand it, at this time anyway, employers that require security clearances and drug testing have no intention of allowing their employees to smoke dope during their off hours regardless of state law. My own view is that is probably a mistake but that is the way it is, as I understand it. (I say "probably a mistake" because I am of the point of view that marijuana is probably no more harmful than is alcohol.)

Alcohol destroys some people. Most can either handle it or choose to abstain. I think marijuana is likely the same. And I agree that making it illegal did little to reduce use. (Just made it immensely profitable for criminals.)

 

[LoboGunLeather]

Colorado employer here. Random UA shows positive for MJ you are history. On-the-job injury with lab tests positive for MJ, you just lost 1/2 your medical costs and 100% of your wage losses and rehab expenses.

Some union shops may have other provisions in their contracts. I'm sure there will be a new specialization of W/C lawyers dealing with the medical expenses and rehab expenses, etc.

But the point remains, if you're doped you are screwed.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

I wonder if with all the license fees, production costs, purity inspections, storefront requirements, taxes, etc., etc., it will turn out to be cheaper to just buy your weed from the corner pusher.
(Kind of like buying cigarettes on the Indian reservation.)

Couple of days ago the local newspaper (Pueblo Chieftain) published an interview with a local dope dealer of 20 years experience. Salient points:

1. With all the taxes and fees imposed by the state and local governments the legal pot will be significantly higher in price than the illicit street products.

2. The bogus (IMO) "medical marijuana" suppliers of the past few years have been the source of much of the local supplies of high-grade dope.

3. Most dealers have a core of regular customers who will continue dealing with the known and trusted source, at lower cost than the new "legal" recreational MJ dealers.

4. Established dealers will continue to provide enhanced customer service, providing regular home delivery just like the pizza guys.

I think that the major impact will be out-of-state people coming here for the wicked thrill of legally purchasing their dope in a shopping center storefront, then buzzing themselves for a night or two at the local motels.

Personally, I'm stocking up on Doritos and bean dip, offering free delivery at any time of day. Cash only, of course.

 

[1morethan8]

"Do people die because of its effect ? Well, sure and from a lot of other things."

I've been told that cannabis is a "gate way" drug!

We may see a lot of cannabis users move up to aspirin!
I read where over 200 people died from aspirin last year...

wonder how many over dose deaths they had from cannabis?

 

[Old TexMex]

Doesn't ANYONE realize that making weed legal and under the control of govt. regulation will have zero effect on the Mexican suppliers?

Violators of the law will continue to find a consumer, and the cartel operators who get put out of the MJ biz will take up robbery, hijacking and kidnapping.

Ending prohibition in the 30's didn't get rid of the bootleggers, it just moved them into heroin, coke and pills, hijacking and robbery.

A criminal isn't going straight because the government changed a law. It's their nature! Criminals aren't out to perform a service to mankind, they're out to make money without working.

We, more than anyone, should know that from gun regulations.
So skip the "it'll end the cartels" talking point. All it (state control) does is change the voting demographic in Colorado, and that is all it was meant to do.

 

[CBus660R]

Doesn't ANYONE realize that making weed legal and under the control of govt. regulation will have zero effect on the Mexican suppliers?

Violators of the law will continue to find a consumer, and the cartel operators who get put out of the MJ biz will take up robbery, hijacking and kidnapping.

Ending prohibition in the 30's didn't get rid of the bootleggers, it just moved them into heroin, coke and pills, hijacking and robbery.

A criminal isn't going straight because the government changed a law. It's their nature! Criminals aren't out to perform a service to mankind, they're out to make money without working.

We, more than anyone, should know that from gun regulations.
So skip the "it'll end the cartels" talking point. All it (state control) does is change the voting demographic in Colorado, and that is all it was meant to do.

Legalize MJ nationally and regulate it like alcohol and tobacco and the criminals will get out of the MJ business. Unless I missed something, the cartels and street gangs are not dealing in black market booze and cigs outside of some trucks hijacked by Italians in the NY/NJ area.

I just bought 3oz of my favorite chewing tobacco for $2.89. Can you even get half an oz of weed for under $50? Turn over a few thousand acres of prime KY/NC tobacco fields to legitimate MJ production and the cartels won't be able to compete.

 

[1morethan8]

"Can you even get half an oz of weed for under $50?"

Average Ohio price today for High Quality.. $359.55/0z.

Oh.. it's $236.16 in Colorado.

 

[jmmitc06]

Personally,I believe the Leftist intentions of legalizing marijuana in Colorado...

I agree that most people on the legalization of marijuana issue probably fall in the blue camp, but the idea to let people do with their bodies as they please and not to lock people up for putting substances of their choosing into their bodies, so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others, is as much libertarian (like me) than leftist.

I'm curious to see how DUI laws will be impacted by this. It's difficult to prove that someone is under the influence when they are pulled over. To my knowledge there is no equivalent to the breathalyzer for marijuana, and blood/urine/hair tests would not test for current intoxication. I wonder what provisions the state has enacted for this eventuality, I guess you can still lock them up for reckless driving or some such.

Also, with regards to "medical marijuana" I'm not sure if the bogus was referring to the medicinal uses for cannabis or not, but if so, the evidence strongly indicates it has a number of uses both in its natural form as well as its derivatives. I believe synthetic derivatives of the efficacious compounds in marijuana would probably be a better option clinically, but that's one of many unfortunate side-effects from the war on drugs, possessing these compounds for medical research purposes [to develop new drugs for the clinics] is near impossible. I'm not advocating we go all do drugs, but the research and therapeutic applications of LSD and cannaboids, to name a few, are very interesting and were an exciting field back when they were first isolated and characterized.

 

[CBus660R]

"Can you even get half an oz of weed for under $50?"

Average Ohio price today for High Quality.. $359.55/0z.

Yup, you can tell I don't smoke the stuff. But seeing that price, I'm might have to talk the fiance into turning our basement into a grow room! LOL

 

[Old TexMex]

Legalize MJ nationally and regulate it like alcohol and tobacco and the criminals will get out of the MJ business. Unless I missed something, the cartels and street gangs are not dealing in black market booze and cigs outside of some trucks hijacked by Italians in the NY/NJ area.

I just bought 3oz of my favorite chewing tobacco for $2.89. Can you even get half an oz of weed for under $50? Turn over a few thousand acres of prime KY/NC tobacco fields to legitimate MJ production and the cartels won't be able to compete.

Sarcasm ignored. However, the point is that you won't make criminals into square johns by legalizing, so skip the talking point
that it will. Criminals will do something else. Weed heads may be happy, the vote in colorado will be blue, but criminals will continue to commit crime.
You may think cartel members are only capable of the weed business, but that isn't how they think, and it isn't even their main business anymore.

 

[1morethan8]

"In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care. - DEA Administrative Law Judge - Francis Young"