Medical plants? No carry!

[s&wchad]

Impaired is impaired, on what doesn't matter. There's really no rational reason to treat marijuana any differently than alcohol.

There may or there may not be a rational reason, but there certainly is a legal reason. Alcohol is legal. Pot isn't and use/possession currently disqualifies the person from having firearms.

It will be interesting to see what happens if the Fed's do de-schedule marijuana. I don't see how they can continue to prohibit someone from exercising a constitutional right, if they haven't violated any law, or haven't been adjudicated as mentally unfit.

 

[Muss Muggins]

It will be interesting to see what happens if the Fed's do de-schedule marijuana. I don't see how they can continue to prohibit someone from exercising a constitutional right, if they haven't violated any law, or haven't been adjudicated as mentally unfit.

If it happens, which I think is inevitable, the "illegal user" question will fall to the various state definitions, which will all potentially cease to classify marijuana as illegal. There could always be an outlier, much like the current variances in magazine restrictions and various allowed firearms . . .

 

[germansheperd]

I wonder how many times a local street corner weed dealer was charged with a Federal crime when also caught with a gun.

Its a joke. They drop the weed charge, the gun charge becomes a F5 with some community service they never do and a $200 fine. All the while dealing drugs while the case is postponed 5 times. Ask me how I know- My neighbor

 

[03hemi]

I can't think of a better way to back door gun control than allowing younger adults the ability to freely smoke a mind altering substance.

In fact these kids will exchange ALL their Freedoms for .gov's wacky weed handout.

Sad really...

Regards,

Kobsw

That's part of the big "Plan."

 

[AlHunt]

There may or there may not be a rational reason, but there certainly is a legal reason. Alcohol is legal. Pot isn't and use/possession currently disqualifies the person from having firearms.

No argument from me. Rational and legal often diverge.

If the feds de-schedule pot, it may be the very first time in history when "common sense" actually means common sense.

Really, if someone isn't impaired, why does society care what they're not impaired by?

 

[03hemi]

My wife's a National Director for one of the top 5 companies in the world and they have a strict zero tolerance law, they only drug screen at hiring and if you're suspected when/if involved in a work place accident.
Idiots are always dumbfounded when they're fired for testing positive in these so called "free drug use" states.
Zero means zero, you knew that when you accepted the job, hello?
I personally don't care what you do, just realize everything has consequences good and bad.

 

[Jon651]

I have no dog in the fight to legalize pot, and never will. I do, however, have an issue with how it is being handled here in Florida.

We have "medical" pot here, except that is an outright fraud. To get it, you need a prescriber but not a legal prescription from a physician; it has to be "medical grade" but there are no standards, no consistancy, no testing and no approvals; and to use it you can smoke it - a method of administration NO OTHER "legal" medication uses (and which totally neuters any "Smoking Is Bad For You" message).

To get my heart meds, I need a recurring prescription from my licensed physician, purchase them at a licensed pharmacy, produced by a licensed pharmaceutical manufacturer, and only after each has been tested and approved by the FDA. Oh, and none of them ever have to be smoked. None of that applies to "medical" pot here.

I say if the supporters want to legalize it for recreational use then just be up front about it. Make your arguments about cigarettes and alcohol, you won't have to worry about me. I probably won't even vote on that particular question, but at least be honest about it.

 

[germansheperd]

I don't know about other states, but apparently in Pennsylvania if you have a prescription card for medical marijuana, you're not eligible for a concealed carry permit. I was talking to my friend about it and he never heard of that law so he "Googled" it and sure enough, he said it's true. Now, contrary to some of the joking about this that I do, I really don't use it anymore; this new grade they're growing is just too much for me. I tried it lately to see if it helped with any of my back pain, and all it did was get me high and watch Hogan's Heroes for an afternoon. I need to investigate this a little further for myself (the law, not the green!). Is this true in the other states, especially the "shall issue" ones? Brings up the old argument about alcohol vs. reefer. Now, I know I've answered the question when buying a gun asking if "are you a known drunkard" or something like that, but this is kinda ridiculous, maybe.

Good the last thing we need are potheads and impaired individuals carrying around loaded weapons. I support 4473 if you use drugs no weapons.

 

[jeffrefrig]

Really, a lot of interesting answers and positions on my original post, but I didn't mean for it to be an argument for or against. That would have been in the "Lounge" section. I don't really want arguments, but I should've known. Having done both in my life, between the two, I just know pot is illegal but it's a heck of a lot safer than alcohol. Either way, if one is impaired, leave the gun at home...and don't drive. Lots of room for innocent jokes, too, but I was more interested in the answer to the question, as it never really crossed my mind until my friend & I were talking about it. Very interesting, though.

 

[cmansguns]

An Incident(s) from 16 years ago in the Golden State

I'm fully retired now, but was the USA VP of Operations for a large boiler feed pump manufacturer. We are (were) based in Richmond, VA however did buy a factory in a mid-central town in California and I had to travel there a lot in 2005/2006/2007.

Our factory in CA had a full perimeter fence, electronic access gate, and was located smack-dab in the "questionable" area of town. Right next door on one side of the street was a small, probably 2 bedroom home that was legally (by the State) converted to a "grow and sell" MJ house. Every morning it was weird to see what I would deem "low-lifes" standing in line on the sidewalk, sometimes blocking our access gate, all with their "permits" in hand to buy the weed when it opened. OK...no prob I guess...to each his own....weird State anyway, BUT....ACROSS THE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDEWALK...would be at least 3 sometimes 4, big black Chevy Suburbans, blacked out windows, men and women in suits, FBI creds on lanyards....and they would be photographing all the dudes and dudesses lined up for the MJ.

One day I happened to arrive and the "local" town PD was moving the line along, and parting the line when a vehicle drove up to gain access to our factory. Nice guys all of them..just strange to see local PD on one side of the street facing off with Fibbies on the other side of street....both doing their jobs.

We call them Law Enforcement Officers, how can they "Enforce" the "law" in a situation like that?

Just an anecdote to this thread.

 

[waffles]

We call them Law Enforcement Officers, how can they "Enforce" the "law" in a situation like that?

Asking why rather than how is probably the right call on that.

Marijuana was fine with Americans until we started getting concerned with Mexican immigration in the early 20th century. It spooks me that a lot of us in the gun community are cool going against individual freedoms in other victimless behavior, but we're going to be outraged when other people don't respect our freedoms and right to bear arms.

Legalization is happening at the state level, and I truly think we will see it at the federal level within the decade. I'd rather we all get it over with but I guess for the moment conflicting legality is the plan.

 

[steelslaver]

Good the last thing we need are potheads and impaired individuals carrying around loaded weapons. I support 4473 if you use drugs no weapons.

The last thing we need is alcoholics and alcohol impaired individuals carrying around loaded weapons. If you use alcohol no weapons.

I simply replaced one mind altering substance with the other.

The guy who has a toke or 2 in the evening is no worse than the guy who has a highball or a few beers. Plenty of people who drink have proved a lack of ability to control their vice, anyone with a DUI has proved that too. Yep some pot heads use to much.. I don't get the lets punish them all mentality or why some feel the need to come down on pot more than alcohol which has proven to be far and away more deadly. Drunk drivers kill 30 people everyday in America.

I bet every LEO here has responded to more calls where booze was the problem than pot and I bet the number of shootings where the shooter had been drinking far and away out numbers those where the shooter has only smoked some pot. I rest my case.

 

[Johnnu2]

GUNS hell......... they drive CARS.....(legally)

IMHO,

J

 

[Jon651]

GUNS hell......... they drive CARS.....(legally)

IMHO,

J

So far as I know, in Florida you cannot carry a concealed weapon (even with a permit) while impaired, whether that be from alcohol, pot, prescription meds, or whatever.

It's the same for driving - you cannot carry a concealed car while impaired, either!

 

[germansheperd]

The last thing we need is alcoholics and alcohol impaired individuals carrying around loaded weapons. If you use alcohol no weapons.

I simply replaced one mind altering substance with the other.

The guy who has a toke or 2 in the evening is no worse than the guy who has a highball or a few beers. Plenty of people who drink have proved a lack of ability to control their vice, anyone with a DUI has proved that too. Yep some pot heads some to much.. I don't get the lets punish them all mentality or why some feel the need to come down on pot more than alcohol which has proven to be far and away more deadly. Drunk drivers kill 30 people everyday in America.

I bet every LEO here has responded to more calls where booze was the problem than alcohol and I bet the number of shootings where the shooter had been drinking far and away out numbers those where the shooter has only smoked some pot. I rest my case.

I drink about a 6 pack a year. I'm totally fine with banning all alcohol. Won't effect me in the least. Let's do it maybe we can save some lives!

 

[waffles]

I drink about a 6 pack a year. I'm totally fine with banning all alcohol. Won't effect me in the least. Let's do it maybe we can save some lives!

I think we tried that once

 

[Jon651]

I think we tried that once

One of the reasons why pot became so popular...

 

[germansheperd]

I think we tried that once

Lol no kidding

 

[s&wchad]

A simple question, asked and answered.

Like it or not, the current law has been thoroughly explained. The opinions expressed on the board won't change a thing.

We're done here...