New 642's without lock

[BullseyeJC]

The value of the pre-lock guns will be fine. People, especially gun people, are purists and will find a reason to still attach a value for the guns made 50 years ago even if the new ones don't have the lock. It seems like with every new version of firearm, people complain that "boy, they sure don't make em' like that anymore". I don't care if all the company did was change the wood for the grips from walnut to rosewood you'll still have people pining for the old version.

I can live with MIM parts. I can live with laminated wood grips. I can even live with the fact that it's hard to find a new blued gun anymore. But, I don't want the lock. If S&W would come out with a new model 22 without the lock, I'd be on it like white on rice. I'm sick of trying to buy originals in decent shape. I actually WANT to spend my money in the USA. S&W, please give me what I want so I can do it.......

 

[Firehouse]

Of course, I forgot to mention. The sale price of the non-lock models could be supply/demand based. If they hit the shelves and don't stay long, and the IL models sit, you could see a price that coincides with the supply demand principle and watch the prices fluctuate. It could wind up having the price set by the market itself. It just depends what the dealer wants to do.

 

[Andy Griffith]

Originally posted by BullseyeJC:
People, especially gun people, are purists

Must not be talking about me or my trading partners...

We're just cheap S*B's!

If the gun without the lock on it was one cent more than its counterpart- I'd get the cheaper one.

 

[mp357]

Originally posted by Andy Griffith:

Originally posted by Jeff Quinn:

Price is what usually stops me from buying what I want.

Or lack of funds...

It's just a ploy from the powers that be to "make the month" in any way they can.

Things are probably a bit slow, like the rest of the country...so they do anything they can quickly to do it.

I smell greed.

That's ok, I'll take them (w/o locks) any way I can get them...

 

[qballwill]

For whatever reason these 642s are being offered, whether it be slow sales or some other ploy to make a quick buck, I may try to get one and hopefully help the sale of these go quickly. S&W might finally see that no lock guns are desired and start making some changes. I know some of you out there are negative and are convinced that the lock is here forever and have no hope for the lockless days to return, but Im not going to give up.... buying one of these short run guns, may be the door opening just enough to get our foot in to show them that there are still a few of us out here that can make a nice impact of their sales if they just give us what we want.

 

[familyman357]

I'm not too worried about price. RSR was also the distributor for the pre-lock 37-2s that S&W released back in late 2005. If I remember correctly, the scuttlebutt was that there were only about 1,200 released. Dealers weren't trying to get a premium for them and it still took about 6 months for them to really sell out. I don't anticipate anything different with a run of 4,000 guns.
What will be most interesting is whether these new 642s are actually new production or if it's just a parts cleanout like the 37-2s were.

 

[ladder13]

Originally posted by qballwill:.... buying one of these short run guns, may be the door opening just enough to get our foot in to show them that there are still a few of us out here that can make a nice impact of their sales if they just give us what we want.

I agree, that's why I'll be buying 2.

 

[Wayne Dobbs]

I made an inquiry to a dealer in my area today and after their call to RSR, they quoted a price (retail) of $425. I'm in for at least one at that price.

 

[HEADKNOCKER]

I'm still under the impretion that my 642 No Dash with the better finish, though not +P rated is a better revolver IMO than the 642-1 or 642-2 & will always be worth more than the Newer ones..
I realy do like the looks of the Nickeled Classic 40-1s & wouldn't hesitate to buy one them or one of these "New 642s without lock"
Lets Hope that soon we'll be seeing alot more New S&W Revolvers without the Internal Lock, Smith Could even supply a Lock, A Huge Padlock like Ruger does nowdays or a cable lock to make Lock Lovers Happy!! Like They Used to.
I own Five Smiths, All without Locks..
If S&W wants me to buy a NEW Revolver they'll Wise Up.. There Autos don't have this feature.
Or I could just Buy Older S&Ws..
Gary/Hk

 

[crofoot629]

Is it exciting? Some guys currently salivating for lock-free guns had better take a look in their safes. The inflated value of all those revolvers sitting there is due largely to the fact that S&W isn't making them without locks anymore. That cherry prelock 686 sitting there will drop a couple hundred bucks if new ones become available.

Dear Turd Sucker,

I’m just not a “hooray for me **** everybody else” kinda guy.

I was thrilled when the AWB sun downed and my high cap mags came out of the safe. Same deal here!

Emory

 

[Trebla]

I will definitely have to get a few myself. Its like a dream come true, NIB 642 no-lock in the year 2008 is AWESOME!!!!!!

 

[Jeff Quinn]

Originally posted by Jerry in SC:
RSR pricing is not cheap and being the sole distributor it won't be pretty. The local S&W rep can't take orders. I'll pass on this one, don't need a post lock no lock anyway.

RSR is NOT the only distributor. Lipsey's is expecting delivery later this month.

 

[Practical]

Originally posted by 18DAI:
On the other side of the coin, some guys who purchased high priced, Safety Wesson wind up revolvers, and convinced themselves that the lock is not an issue, will be stuck with them.

My pre lock revolvers will never be worth less, and if what I see in the local gun shops holds, the IL revolvers won't be worth more.
I'm "salivating" for more lock free revolvers, to keep the wear and tear off my nice pre locks.

Evidently S&W must want money, and is willing to produce what us "purists" want, to get it.

Do any of you "the lock is here to stay" crowd want some salt for that crow?

Regards 18DAI.

Your guns CAN be worth less if future generations can't or don't want to own them.

Look at california... Assault weapons can't be sold in state in 75 years they will be sold out of state or destroyed. They can't be handed down to the next generation.

Your guns might become a COST to your estate to get rid of!

 

[Sonny Crocket]

Originally posted by Jeff Quinn:
RSR is NOT the only distributor. Lipsey's is expecting delivery later this month.

Thank you sir, they are both on my "to watch" list to see when they are in stock so my dealer can order them.

 

[DC7]

Originally posted by familyman357:
RSR was also the distributor for the pre-lock 37-2s that S&W released back in late 2005. If I remember correctly, the scuttlebutt was that there were only about 1,200 released....

S&W just released another batch of bobbed-hammer Model 37's to RSR this month. My dealer called to inquire about the no-lock 642's, and although they're not available yet, they surprised him by saying they were expecting 200 more M37's, and already had a few in stock. More details, including the product sheet showing a launch date of July 2008, can be found in THIS THREAD.

 

[TiroFijo]

"Do any of you "the lock is here to stay" crowd want some salt for that crow?

Regards 18DAI"

+1,000,000

I'm very happy that S&W seems to come back to their senses, and if I can get one I'll get a brand new, non IL 642

 

[SAWBONES]

The OP is casting out an "eat crow" insult, but I think it's a bit early for that, not to mention perhaps a bit unkind

though I suspect it's meant in jest.
The fact that S&W has put out a run of non-lock guns doesn't tell much about corporate policy, at least not yet.

However, I for one am simply glad that S&W is putting out a run of non-lock guns. Hopefully this will prove to be the beginning of a trend.

Some of us have suggested for several years that they provide their products in versions both with and without "the lock", so that customers can choose.

Of course, given the choice, only those who don't know any better would actually choose the lock versions...

 

[Andy Griffith]

Of course, given the choice, only those who don't know any better would actually choose the lock versions...

I beg to differ from that statement.
There are many new firearms purchasers that I have seen, once the dealer has shown how the locks work to people that want to store them "locked away," it is a selling point.

My best friend's wife bought a 642 for the reason that we showed her that it could be locked when not in use.

I do believe that telling a person that they have a "possibly defective" firearm is about like saying that a man's kids might possibly grow up to be ugly.

A feller might possibly get hit in the face by said feller's wife!

 

[claygrazer]

OK Guys, I'm confused and have a NOOB question. The S&W web site shows the 642 is an alloy frame gun available in chiefs special, centenial, or body guard hammer configuratios. The RSR listing shows 38 SPCL STS Cent WO/L. Is the no lock offering a stainless centenial? It would be about 23 oz versus 15 oz if so. This is what I would prefer. It would be like my 9mm 940, which I dearly love.

 

[familyman357]

Originally posted by SAWBONES:
The OP is casting out an "eat crow" insult, but I think it's a bit early for that, not to mention perhaps a bit unkind

though I suspect it's meant in jest.
The fact that S&W has put out a run of non-lock guns doesn't tell much about corporate policy, at least not yet.

However, I for one am simply glad that S&W is putting out a run of non-lock guns. Hopefully this will prove to be the beginning of a trend.
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I'm in the same boat. It's way too early to say "Ding dong, the lock is dead.."
But maybe.... just maybe this is a harbinger of things to come.