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I have a question form the Guy who Just bought Sw686-6 6" barrel, He obseverved, There is 6 additonal Holes on His revolver's Receiver Frame, which is looked different apart form what he had before with no holes, I suspect that Might be another MIM frame,
Any idea what's is 6 small holes are for?

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MIM works just fine...

..in S&W revolvers. I am a collector of S&W revolvers and I also shoot S&W revolvers in competition. MIM parts began to appear in the late 1990s, especially in new designs that had no forged or milled parts in inventory. The only comment I'll make is that MIM triggers and hammers are not as pretty. My competition revos have consumed thousands of rounds over the years with no failures.

As a fellow geezer(a few weeks short of 80 yo) I feel free to say the following. As we age we tend to get more and more grumpy and lots of old grumps post here. Take all that BS with a few grains of salt and make up your own mind based on your experience.
 
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Nest time you are flying along at 450mph at 35,000 ft look over at that jet engine hanging on the wing. Most of the parts used to be cast and forged. Today, however, a more sophisticated method of producing the discs is being used by more and more manufacturers. Called powder metallurgy, it consists of pouring molten metal onto a rapidly rotating turntable that breaks the metal into millions of microscopic droplets that are flung back up almost immediately due to the table's spinning. As they leave the table, the droplets' temperature suddenly plummets (by roughly 2,120 degrees Fahrenheit—1,000 degrees Celsius—in half a second), causing them to solidify and form a fine-grained metal powder. The resulting powder is very pure because it solidifies too quickly to pick up contaminants.

Read more: How jet engine is made - material, manufacture, history, used, parts, components, dimensions, product, industry
 
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MIM parts came into common use decades before S&W got in on the act. Dan Wesson was one of the first companies maligned for using such parts (I once owned both the .357 and .44 models), and IIRC, I once owned a Colt Trooper III that had the trigger broken at the hinge and I heard all about how crappy Colt revolvers had become from the gun smith I had to order a new part from.

As with all things, the technology has advanced since Germany first introduced "sintered metal" bullets with the 9mm in 1908. Today it's hard to find any mechanical device that doesn't use MIM or some form of compressed metal technology. I own quite a number of expensive knives that use advanced "powdered steel" alloys such as Elmax and M390 in their blades and those knifes are tough, and hold an edge. Microtech is renowned for the sheer abuse their OTF knifes can withstand without even being damaged, let alone "broken" - using some form of compressed metal steel.

The ONLY reason to even be talking about MIM parts is because gun makers are still slavishly devoted to making revolvers look "classic" - even 1911's and such. GLOCK showed the world how it CAN be done using stamped, tempered steel parts for EVERYTHING but the locking block, barrel, and slide, but the consumer expects them to look "industrial" whereas they expect a S&W New Classic to look pretty much like an "Old Classic" which is why they COST SO MUCH!

Even my new Colt Python has powdered metal parts and so much the better for it. Such parts drop from the "mold" perfectly dimensioned with no stress points caused by high-temp forging followed by machining. Compressed steel alloy parts form extremely uniform grain structures and reduce what were once labor intensive, "fitted parts" to "drop in" as long as the CAD engineers did their part!

People not familiar with machine work lack an understanding of just what "precision" means when it comes to making metal parts. While a hand machinist with the knowledge and skill can create one-off parts to an amazing precision, it's time consuming and expensive, and becomes corrupted when such parts are fitted into a "system of parts" with less than perfect precision. The very BEST a human eye can perceive is about 0.001" whereas a CAD program can locate the center of a line to the precision of the screen that displays it, and to the precision of the CAM controlled mill that machines it! "Casting, injecting, or compressing" super steel alloys results in parts to 0.0001" precision - 2.54 microns.

Rather and "diss" our domestic gun makers for trying to give us a "classic experience" with ever better alloys and methods of manufacture, we should be cheering them on! Whenever I hear someone pontificate: "They don't build them like they used too!" I'm proud that this is so, but also somewhat disheartened that those who make such proclamations have absolutely ZERO understanding and regard for the man hours it took to "build 'em like they used too," while still ending up with guns that were "no-two-alike" due to the need for so much post-manufacture hand fitting.
 
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Welcome aboard!
I've never seen holes like that on a S&W gripframe and I have no idea what the markings on the right side of the backstrap represent. Perhaps that's something done in Thailand by the importer or authorities.

I can tell you that these frames are not MIM (metal injection molding). These frames are CNC machined out of stainless steel.

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I see the OP deleted the photo from the hosting site. That's bad form after a number of members tried to help him. I'm including an archived copy of his photo for future reference.

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I love tool steel parts, but it all depends on who is making these MIM parts. Even though we're on the Smith & Wesson form this is coming from a person that's been doing this for many years and if you don't know his name well you could look up his name. Karl Sokol it was a very well-known gunsmith told me this a long time ago. The MIM parts are good or there really bad there's no in between. Smith and Wesson happens to make very good MIM Parts or whoever's making it for them not sure. Now all of you Kimber fans out there will be upset Lol their MIM parts just in plain simply English suck they make terrible MIM parts the use to have plant in NJ. I gun companies came up with this plug and play, so to speak so it's just easier to assemble and there's no real stoning /fitting. But there's no doubt about it that tool steel is better but there's more fitting up and stoning and changing the angle and all that stuff. So basically MIM it's like a Lego sets because the factories don't have the gunsmith anymore fact.
 
If Eli Whitney championed interchangeable parts and Henry Ford championed the assembly line, MIM parts have to be the ultimate culmination of the two concepts. Like nearly all technologies, they have their fans and foes but the have changed the manufacturing world forever and aren't going away anytime soon.

As for the mysterious holes in the frame, I have no idea.
 
JollyGoodShow, Welcome to the forum.
I have no idea what those extra holes are for.
I would not be concerned about S&W MIM parts. MIM parts are very good, when well done. Forged steel parts are very good when well done. Both MIM and forged parts can be junk when not well done. The skill level required for either is quite high. Both are dependent on the quality of the base metal content and the heat treatment. MIM castings require less hand work because injection molding is more precise than smashing the hot metal into a forging die.
They probably had similar discussions in the 19th century as they went from hand forged and filed parts to machine forging. It is all about how much quality is designed in and how much quality control keeps production honest.
 
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I have never seen those holes on a Smith or any other revolver. Living in Thailand gives you a nearby source for cool grips. :)
 
Hi and welcome to the forum (Newbie ,Thailand , Seek for help.)
This thread has me lost , is it about holes in the frame or mim parts or jet engines, I've never seen those holes before but they must be a reason for them to be there
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thanks you very much for warm welcome,

There must be a reason why, there is holes on Frame Grip
These holes looked like MIM nozzle to me.

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I can accept MIM parts on My Pc gun Sw627Pc-5 either 2.625" or 5" barrel, I love it,

but, I need to know where these holes came from, the local Local gun Store Here in Thailand said, Never did this, it's came direct from S&W factory,
 
The frame is NOT MIM. The dealer probably lied to you about the holes.... Those other marks further up the frame don't look right, either.

Thanks you, The marks further up back strap was lasered
registration number done ministry of interior, Thai government system.
 
There have been a bunch of "custom production" S&W grips coming out of Thailand for over a decade. Recently they are advertised as being CNC carved. I wonder whether your 686 could have been used to set up that machinery? It would make sense. BTW, to all the haters who belittle these Thai grips, I really like the two pairs I have owned for about 8 years. :)

Froggie
 
There have been a bunch of "custom production" S&W grips coming out of Thailand for over a decade. Recently they are advertised as being CNC carved. I wonder whether your 686 could have been used to set up that machinery? It would make sense. BTW, to all the haters who belittle these Thai grips, I really like the two pairs I have owned for about 8 years. :)

Froggie

I've been thinking about a set if I can find a set I like that mimic factory K frame round butt combats.
 
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