NYPD Off-Duty Question

[CTSP-0960]

I know if you were hired after Jan 1st, 1994 you cannot carry a revolver as a duty weapon in the NYPD. If is also my understanding that even if you were carrying a revolver prior to the above date and later qualified with an auto, you cannot go back to carrying the revolver as a duty weapon.

My question is if you were to be hired by the NYPD at present can you carry a revolver as an off-duty weapon even though your duty weapon is an auto? Or is the approved off-duty revolvers on the list only for the guys carrying revolvers on duty?

Thanks

 

[kbm6893]

Nope. Officers are no longer able to buy a revolver for off duty carry, and that includes an officer hired 20 years ago. The job stopped authorizing them about 10 years ago. If you didn't own one by that date, the door was closed for any future guns. You can buy whatever you want, but you are prohibited from carrying it as an off duty piece. in fact, if you use ANY weapon other than your dept approved weapons for anything other than recreational use, you will be screwed. So you can't leave your 9MM Glock in your locker and sleep with a .357 next to your bed. if you use that gun, even in a lawful shooting, you will not be indeminifed, and that goes for using dept authorized ammo in a different gun.

And many guys hired and trained with the semi auto carried a revolver off duty. They were allowed to do that for a few years until the job phased out off duty revolvers.

 

[ultra45]

I know if you were hired after Jan 1st, 1994 you cannot carry a revolver as a duty weapon in the NYPD. If is also my understanding that even if you were carrying a revolver prior to the above date and later qualified with an auto, you cannot go back to carrying the revolver as a duty weapon.

My question is if you were to be hired by the NYPD at present can you carry a revolver as an off-duty weapon even though your duty weapon is an auto? Or is the approved off-duty revolvers on the list only for the guys carrying revolvers on duty?

Thanks

If you were qualified with an auto and were authorized to carry a revolver you could still carry the revolver as a backup as long as you quailified with it. As a detective I was not on patrol, I qualified with my Glock 19, S&W Model 10 (original service revolver) and my S&W Model 36. Those 3 guns were always considered my authorized firearms. Technicaly, if I were put in uniform I could carry my Model 10 if I so desired.

If you were hired today you would not be permitted to carry a revolver under regular circumstances. There is a way you could, but this being a public forum, I'd rather not go on record with the answer. But it could be done.

 

[CTSP-0960]

Ultra45...........

Thanks for the response! It's not for me (The CT State Police is my home) but I have a buddy who looks like is getting on with NYPD and is hell-bent on carrying his 642-1 as a back-up/off-duty piece....I'll have to hit you for that "back door" process if he deff. makes it on.

You still active or retired?

Thanks Again,
Sean

 

[perpster]

If you were hired today you would not be permitted to carry a revolver under regular circumstances. There is a way you could, but this being a public forum, I'd rather not go on record with the answer. But it could be done.

I'll spill the beans: if he/she is allergic to tupperware . . .

 

[MTS Cop]

Almost anything is possible with the right hook.

 

[perpster]

Almost anything is possible with the right hook.

Left uppercut no good?

 

[WildCard ZX6R]

Wow ... NY = FAIL.

Can't wait to get back home to the midwest....

 

[kbm6893]

Ultra45...........

Thanks for the response! It's not for me (The CT State Police is my home) but I have a buddy who looks like is getting on with NYPD and is hell-bent on carrying his 642-1 as a back-up/off-duty piece....I'll have to hit you for that "back door" process if he deff. makes it on.

You still active or retired?

Thanks Again,
Sean

Never gonna happen. Even IF he was allowed to carry a revolver, the 642 was never authorized. Getting a member of the service authorized to carry a non-dept issued gun is very hard (undercover guys will be allowed to do it since they are undercover. Other than the Glock, the other 2 service weapons are easily identified as NYPD guns. Not too many people chhose to carry double action only S& 5946's or SIG 226's. Even then, there is a whole procedure to follow and nobody is going to do that just because a rookie really likes his 642). I recall wanting to carry the 642 when we authorized the all steel 640. Was told emphatically "Hell no, kid"

 

[JamesArthur60]

I always find it strange how one department permits the use of a specific brand/model firearm or ammo caliber size for on duty vs. off duty. Or, when compared to another department in the same state it may not matter. Luckily for me, per HR218 I can switch back and forth from revolver to auto, any make/model. However, I do have to qualify with both to be permitted the switch.

 

[xray 99]

If one had a carry permit, could a department still restrict off-duty carry to a department authorized weapon as a condition of employment?

 

[kbm6893]

If one had a carry permit, could a department still restrict off-duty carry to a department authorized weapon as a condition of employment?

Not many cops hired by the NYPD are in possesion of a carry permit in NY, since generally only retired cops and hooked up celebrities get one. If you DO have a permit, it is void once you are hired, since your shield and ID card ARE permits. And yes, a dept can resrict their officers to whatever they want to. When you take the oath, you lose your rights to choose your carry weapon within the NYPD.

 

[perpster]

When you take the oath, you lose your rights to choose your carry weapon within the NYPD.

Among many other lost rights.

 

[MTS Cop]

Do we even have rights anymore?

 

[S. Kelly]

MTS Cop, did they straighten out the problems with the M&P9c at the range?

 

[MTS Cop]

I don't know. Last I heard was that it would make the approved list at the start of the new year, but that was a few months ago. I think the range re-opens for quals in a few weeks, I'll let you guys know if I hear anything new.

 

[Reevolvers]

That is total B.S. Sounds like a whole bunch of politics are at play. Nothing against auto's as I have quite a few myself! But if a man "A POLICE OFFICER" proves he is proficient with a revolver as his back up, then he should damn sure be allowed to carry it I think! I personally Love wheel guns, and would be furious if told I couldn't carry one if I so desired. You know I have always said that you should shoot whatever weapon feels most comfortable to you. Wheel Guns Are Real Guns. I see no reason why they should exclude a weapon for no reason. I understand that departments of a certain size should have some sort of standard but that seems a bit excessive. it's not as if he is asking to carry a blunderbuss! Gimme a break!

 

[Lex_Ordo]

1997 was the last year any new recruits were trained and qualified to carry an off-duty DAO revolver. The S&W 640 was standard until the 640-1 was introduced in the Magnum frame.

Then the City told S&W to produce the magnum frame in .38 only. The birth of the 640-2. I believe this is the only model made specifically for the NYPD. Meaning no 640-2 revolvers were made for the regular commercial market.

Anyone hired after 1997, are not authorized to carry a revolver for off-duty. But...
If you still have it, and you qualify once a year with it, you can.

HTH

 

[RON in PA]

Gotta disagree with Lex, the 640-2 was offered by Smith in their catalog for one year, 1999 if memory serves correctly.

 

[AL Deputy]

Thank goodness for Alabama, if you qualify with it you can carry it !

 

[Landric]

My department does place some limits on the chamberings we are allowed to carry off-duty (nothing smaller than .380 ACP, nothing bigger than .45 Colt) and the types of ammunition allowed, but we are not nearly as limited as NYPD. My on-duty BUG is a 37-2 Airweight and my primary off-duty is a Ruger SP101. One could say that I like revolvers. I'm glad I am not prohibited from carrying them.

So, what are NYPDs current duty and off-duty weapons? I know the duty guns were the Glock 19, S&W 5946, and SIG 226 DAO, but I understand that has changed somewhat, I never knew what exactly was authorized for off-duty/backup.

 

[Knightrider03m]

Off topic but does NYPD use 9mm for their duty guns?

 

[MTS Cop]

The current authorized duty guns are: Smith & Wesson 5946, SIG Sauer P226 DAO, and Glock 19. The M&P 9 is going to replace the 5946 at some point in the near future.

The current authorized off duty guns are: Smith & Wesson 3914DAO and 3953, SIG Sauer P239 DAO and Glock 26. Again, the M&P 9c is in the works to replace the 3914 and 3953.

I'm not even going to get into what's grandfathered. There's a variety of Smith & Wesson and Ruger revolvers, Kahr K9s and Beretta 8000s.

Basically when a new weapon is introduced you aren't forced to adopt it because you do it at your own expense. If you were issued it and keep qualifying with it, you can keep carrying it.

 

[S. Kelly]

MTS Cop, since the M&P 9 full size is a 17 shot weapon, will they modify/alter it to hold 15 like the other designs?

 

[Lex_Ordo]

Marcus88.
The Current duty round 9mm is a GDHP 124 gr 9mm +P.

 

[Knightrider03m]

The current authorized duty guns are: Smith & Wesson 5946, SIG Sauer P226 DAO, and Glock 19. The M&P 9 is going to replace the 5946 at some point in the near future.

The current authorized off duty guns are: Smith & Wesson 3914DAO and 3953, SIG Sauer P239 DAO and Glock 26. Again, the M&P 9c is in the works to replace the 3914 and 3953.

I'm not even going to get into what's grandfathered. There's a variety of Smith & Wesson and Ruger revolvers, Kahr K9s and Beretta 8000s.

Basically when a new weapon is introduced you aren't forced to adopt it because you do it at your own expense. If you were issued it and keep qualifying with it, you can keep carrying it.

Marcus88.
The Current duty round 9mm is a GDHP 124 gr 9mm +P.

Thank you both.

I think that they have a narrow off-duty pick is because if officers start to carry what they want then the PD would have to buy ammo from .38s all the way to 10mm. It may be more cost effective due to the large amount off police officers that you have. But I could be wrong about this idea.

 

[MTS Cop]

MTS Cop, since the M&P 9 full size is a 17 shot weapon, will they modify/alter it to hold 15 like the other designs?

That's a good question that I don't know the answer to. I can absolutely seeing them do that. Since the media portrays us as a bunch of trigger happy racists, I'd imagine them getting wind of us having higher capacity magazines would cause a sh*t storm.

Plus it would be a pain in the ass on the firing line. The off duty quals are always a disater because you have guys with 5 shot revolvers, 9 shot S&Ws and 10 shot Glocks all trying to keep up to one pace. The service quals go much smoother because everyone has 15 rounds.

I'm curious to see how this turns out.

 

[ultra45]

Never gonna happen. Even IF he was allowed to carry a revolver, the 642 was never authorized. Getting a member of the service authorized to carry a non-dept issued gun is very hard (undercover guys will be allowed to do it since they are undercover. Other than the Glock, the other 2 service weapons are easily identified as NYPD guns. Not too many people chhose to carry double action only S& 5946's or SIG 226's. Even then, there is a whole procedure to follow and nobody is going to do that just because a rookie really likes his 642). I recall wanting to carry the 642 when we authorized the all steel 640. Was told emphatically "Hell no, kid"

You just spilt the beans.....

 

[perpster]

Thank you both.

I think that they have a narrow off-duty pick is because if officers start to carry what they want then the PD would have to buy ammo from .38s all the way to 10mm. It may be more cost effective due to the large amount off police officers that you have. But I could be wrong about this idea.

In litigious NY, it's more of a training and liability issue, not to mention anti-gun public and political sentiment. It wasn't until the late 1980's, during the peak of the crack violence that speedloaders were authorized (when semi-autos weren't yet authorized either), and that was only because a cop got shot in the head DOA by a semi-auto armed thug while the cop was trying to reload from dump pouches.

 

[Reevolvers]

In litigious NY, it's more of a training and liability issue, not to mention anti-gun public and political sentiment. It wasn't until the late 1980's, during the peak of the crack violence that speedloaders were authorized (when semi-autos weren't yet authorized either), and that was only because a cop got shot in the head DOA by a semi-auto armed thug while the cop was trying to reload from dump pouches.

Damn Shame that it takes things like that for departments to start allowing their men, and women in uniform to arm themselves with the proper equipment. I have never been in Law Enforcement but it seems to me that due to legal liability they sometimes find themselves behind the curve with respect to matching the bad guy's! West Hollywood ring any bells??????? L.E.O.'s should be allowed to determine what they need to do their jobs effectively, and efficiently, not some idiot in the legal department! I am all for standards but it seems sometimes they can take it to far!