I understand what you're saying. I live in a state where open carry is very common and appropriate in some cases. However, it's still easy to spot an idiot. On a similar note, as a 2nd amendment supporter I would never presume to deny a fellow citizen the right to own a gun. My wife and I spent 24 hours in Chicago a couple of years ago. As we all know, firearms laws are very restrictive there. In spite of my opinion on that, after walking from my hotel to Starbucks and back, I reached the conclusion that maybe these people really shouldn't have guns.
Open Carry: I knew it would happen
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kbm6893
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And it always surprises me that people don't see the difference in a person carrying an AK over their shoulder on Main Street and the citizen carrying a J frame or a Glock 26 discreetly. Think of it like this: only 10% of gun owners even join the NRA. I'm one of that 10% by the way. And there is obviously a percentage of those members who view these OC clowns as a bad thing for gun ownership.
None of us saw the 1994 AWB coming. I know I didn't. Think some other sweeping federal law can't be written that is even worse? The NRA and out votes couldn't stop it before. And the OC attention grabbing crowds like OC Texas are giving them all the ammo they need.
All I have to say is...
Look back at any of the various OC threads to see my view...
There are the same people spewing "I'm All For The 2nd Amendment BUT...
... and absolutely NOTHING new has come up in this thread to change my, or anyone else's mind on the subject.
so...
In Before The Lock!!!
Look back at any of the various OC threads to see my view...
There are the same people spewing "I'm All For The 2nd Amendment BUT...
... and absolutely NOTHING new has come up in this thread to change my, or anyone else's mind on the subject.
so...
In Before The Lock!!!
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HorizontalMike
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WHUT!
Geez folks! I have NOT heard the pig SEQUEL so loudly since the release of the Burt Reynolds movie,...
Please look closely... It is the CHL that are most worried, and I just do NOT get it. Paranoia does NOT have to rule ones' life, but some folks believe otherwise...
Regardless of OPEN carry in Texas, my little CHL is happy where it currently resides... in my Fxxxing waistband protecting same. Biggest benefit is NOT being hassled by local PD for unexpected display...etc... DI/Licensing.
Geez folks! I have NOT heard the pig SEQUEL so loudly since the release of the Burt Reynolds movie,...
Please look closely... It is the CHL that are most worried, and I just do NOT get it. Paranoia does NOT have to rule ones' life, but some folks believe otherwise...
Regardless of OPEN carry in Texas, my little CHL is happy where it currently resides... in my Fxxxing waistband protecting same. Biggest benefit is NOT being hassled by local PD for unexpected display...etc... DI/Licensing.
I fully support OC because it means that if you carry concealed and print accidently, then you not automatically branded a criminal.
But I do not and never will OC because in the society we live in today, it's just plain foolish whether it's legal or not.
In today's world, if you OC, then the thug who carries concealed will have the upper hand, and it's HE who gets to chose the time and place, not you.
OC makes you a soft target, and that's why it's foolish.
If I have to explain further why it makes you a soft target, then you probably shouldn't be carrying at all.
But I do not and never will OC because in the society we live in today, it's just plain foolish whether it's legal or not.
In today's world, if you OC, then the thug who carries concealed will have the upper hand, and it's HE who gets to chose the time and place, not you.
OC makes you a soft target, and that's why it's foolish.
If I have to explain further why it makes you a soft target, then you probably shouldn't be carrying at all.
By "discretely" you mean "concealed" right?
First, I think your numbers are high by about 100%. Second there's also some percentage of the NRA (I'm a member too) that thinks UBCs are peachy I don't agree with them on that either.
OK the above paragraph is nonsensical any law banning civilian ownership over firearms based on open carry would be declared faster unconstitutional faster than you could call an open carrier in Home Depot a retard. (Not that you would ever say anything like that of course.....oh wait)
Slight correction......
I believe that was Walmart, but you're on the right track nontheless.
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If you can't cite examples, maybe you shouldn't be making the "argument"... or carrying either.
In my experience, people who say, "if I have to explain further", usually CAN'T.
I don't open carry, because I don't like most people and don't want to talk to them. I ESPECIALLY don't want to talk to stupid people who wet themselves over the sight of a holstered gun.
That in NO way imposes ANY duty on those who want to open carry where it's lawful to do so.
"Tactically", if I had a dime for every time I heard or saw somebody claim that you shouldn't CARRY, AT ALL because "your gun will just be taken away and used against you", I'd be able to buy a water cooled .50 with dimes.
Your explanation is exactly why we can't give in even an inch. Because "they" will take it and much more.
Nothing is perfect. And our perception of perfect differs from person to person. And to expect perfection is unrealistic.
The first amendment, and it is the FIRST amendment, allows us to speak freely without persecution. Obviously it is the first amendment because our founding fathers knew that it was the most important issue at hand. However, those wise enough to know, know that there is a time to speak and then there is a time to listen and keep your mouth shut. Just because you can speak doesn't mean you should.
The same applies to the 2A.
I don't agree with a long gun slung over the shoulder thing either. But there are other more common ways that gun owners make the rest of us look bad. It's all over the news. Everyday. Someone shoots themselves or someone else because of carelessness. Or they carry a gun where it's against the law etc....
But you don't hear or see near as many complaints about those people than you do open carriers. Why is that?
I don't believe that open carry will be the doom of our existence as gun owners. But I do believe that those irresponsible gun owners that are uneducated or ignorant about gun safety could be.
Instead of arguing about open carry vs concealed, maybe we should spend more time educating gun owners. I would rather see more time and effort towards educating gun owners than trying to educate gun haters.
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Your original post started out with the 'guy with a huge glock' at the gas station, and then in the next sentence you called the guy an 'idiot' presumably for carrying a holstered SIDEARM.
You clearly have a strong dislike for those who choose to simply carry a holstered sidearm, as was proved by your original post. Don't change the subject to slung AR's.
We've discussed your claims before. No proof was ever revealed that your claims are true.
kbm6893
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No. It was Home Depot. Grown man, obviously mentally challenged, with a cocked and locked 1911 on his hip. He played with the riding mowers like my 8 year old does, while his companion, I'm assuming his mother, returned something. And I NEVER called him a retard.
And many here saw nothing wrong with it. Makes me wonder about their mental capacity. Maybe they should join him on he riding mowers. Make believe they're fighter pilots or drag racers.
kbm6893
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No. I mean discreetly. Mine was tucked in my waistband. Bit if the grip exposed is all. Far cry from Rambo and his Blackhawk Serpa with his vanity plate.
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kbm6893
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Glock makes a bunch of different guns. Some are larger and not designed to be concealed. Others are designed for concealability. So a guy with a 19 in his waistband is no less armed than the guy with the full size in a tactical holster
I'm a 2nd A advocate, Endowment NRA, support the RTKBA, yada yada.......except for the idiot next to me at the range shooting that S&W 500 mag, the guy at Walmart who acted a little strange today, my neighbor who owns guns but otherwise is a tool, the guy who got drunk at his wedding for the first time in his life, the guys who wear their pants down around their ankles, the folks who exceed the speed limits by 30 mph, and so on and so forth.
Jeez, since when did we become so judgmental? Are some of us perfect? How hard do we need to look?
"DO NOT JUDGE LEST YOU BE JUDGED"
"DO NOT JUDGE LEST YOU BE JUDGED"
Only one person was killed in the original Rambo movie, and he fell from a helicopter hit by a rock while trying to kill an unarmed Rambo . . .
keith44spl
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Somebody Open Carried a sidearm.....
Who really gives a **** anymore?
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Who really gives a **** anymore?
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Somebody Open Carried a sidearm.....
Who really gives a **** anymore?
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I'm surprised you even bothered to show up!
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