+p+ ammo

[KANSAS-FARM-BOY]

Ive got a model 469 that my father in law gave me a couple months back, he shot 20 rounds through it, cleaned it, and stuck it in a dresser for 20 plus years. . I found a couple boxes of ammo that I forgot I had in an old dresser, one is +p and one +p+, will this gun take +p and +p+ ammo?

 

[Kanewpadle]

Yes it will. But a steady diet of either isn't a good idea.

 

[rwsmith]

+P+ isn't recommended.....

+P is an established standard with a maximum working pressure attached to it. +P+ has NO standard, therefore, you don't know what in the world kind of pressure they are loaded to. You could probably shoot them safely but the J frame revolvers are rated for +P and +P+ MAY be beyond that, but no one knows unless you can contact the ammo manufacturer and verify what the pressure is that they are loaded to.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Like said above, there is no standard set for +P+ so you don't know what pressures the ammo will generate. I would not do it and I wonder why anyone feels the need to shoot it. If the 9mm is not enough gun timer your needs use a bigger gun. It's just not safe to shoot ammo of unknown pressures.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

I agree with rwsmith, try the +P but skip the +P+.

That's the compact alloy frame 2nd Gen 469 semiauto, right? They were made between 1983 - 1988.

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[Boge]

I've shot a boxcar of +p+ 9mm and never saw any firearm damage or excess wear. One IL State Policeman shot over 80k rds. of 9mm +p+ through a 2nd Gen. S&W with no damage. YMMV.

 

[QED]

Reputable manufacturers have usually defined what the MAP limit is on every box of their "+P+" ammo; if "+P+" is not defined I wouldn't consider shooting such ammo in any self-defense handgun that obviously needs to be very reliable. Obviously, a handgun is a precisely made tool that needs to function in a precise manner in a possibly life-saving situation. Abusing a handgun by repeatedly firing rounds that approach or perhaps even exceed proof load pressures is hardly a prudent course of action -- even though it may be "safe" to fire such rounds.

 

[Larry64]

I was going to ask a similar question. I was given 2 boxes of Federal .38 Special High Velocity +P+ 147gr hollow points "for law enforcement only". Anyone have any idea just how hot this stuff is? I any have one .38, a 638 J frame rated for .38+P. Can I use them for carry and a few to practice or are they just too hot? My J frame is my off duty when I can't hide something larger.

 

[QED]

I was going to ask a similar question. I was given 2 boxes of Federal .38 Special High Velocity +P+ 147gr hollow points "for law enforcement only". Anyone have any idea just how hot this stuff is? I any have one .38, a 638 J frame rated for .38+P. Can I use them for carry and a few to practice or are they just too hot? My J frame is my off duty when I can't hide something larger.

Federal is, of course, a reputable major ammo manufacturer and thus limits MAP for this round to no more than about 23k psi, which is about 15% above +P MAP, but 20% below proof load pressure. Shooting a few hundred of these rounds in any +P rated revolver in good condition should not result in any significant degradation.

 

[Larry64]

Federal is, of course, a reputable major ammo manufacturer and thus limits MAP for this round to no more than about 23k psi, which is about 15% above +P MAP, but 20% below proof load pressure. Shooting a few hundred of these rounds in any +P rated revolver in good condition should not result in any significant degradation.

Sorry I didn't respond back sooner. Thanks. I'm going to try a few and carry them. We had them from our old .38's we carried in the Fire Marshal division before we went to 9mm's. We kept buying some but now we only have me carrying one when I need a small gun. I should just get a Shield but......