Reloaded ammunition for Self Defense.
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I'll throw in before lock-down (for what reason to lock, I don't know, but it's not my forum.)
It isn't the "Prosecutor" you have to worry about...as someone said earlier, it's either a good shoot or a bad shoot....I worked for several years around prosecutors and almost none of them had any experience with firearms.
Second, no one is going to ask you about reloading unless you tell them you're using reloaded ammo. It's just a question I've never seen come up, and the only way you can be asked is if you testify and your lawyer almost certainly would strongly advise you not to. So, at least around here, for a SD shoot, no one will know or care if you're using factory ammo or reloads.
If there is a problem it would come from the guy you shot or his survivors in a civil suit. Since money is involved, maybe a great deal of money, the plaintiff may go to extraordinary means of hiring an expert...like Ayoob. Then, I can't see anyone being able to tell a reloaded round from a reload...the type of powder in a factory load is propietary to the factory, and while Ayoob may be an expert (or not) I don't know how he'd be able to tell. Don't tell...
Bullets, now...I can see how an extreme bullet design from a reload may start the ball rolling.
I wouldn't worry about it, personally. I carry factory because I'm to sorry to reload.
It isn't the "Prosecutor" you have to worry about...as someone said earlier, it's either a good shoot or a bad shoot....I worked for several years around prosecutors and almost none of them had any experience with firearms.
Second, no one is going to ask you about reloading unless you tell them you're using reloaded ammo. It's just a question I've never seen come up, and the only way you can be asked is if you testify and your lawyer almost certainly would strongly advise you not to. So, at least around here, for a SD shoot, no one will know or care if you're using factory ammo or reloads.
If there is a problem it would come from the guy you shot or his survivors in a civil suit. Since money is involved, maybe a great deal of money, the plaintiff may go to extraordinary means of hiring an expert...like Ayoob. Then, I can't see anyone being able to tell a reloaded round from a reload...the type of powder in a factory load is propietary to the factory, and while Ayoob may be an expert (or not) I don't know how he'd be able to tell. Don't tell...
Bullets, now...I can see how an extreme bullet design from a reload may start the ball rolling.
I wouldn't worry about it, personally. I carry factory because I'm to sorry to reload.
Yup! Exactly the same as all the old threads...
Up to 64 posts and nowhere near a consensus. Two camps; "I use factory ammo so I won't be prosecuted" and "I haven't seen any indication of a factual prosecution for using handloads" seem to be the most prevalent, but still just personal opinions...
Jellybean, you just provided an outstanding example of why I tell people to stay away from boutique "manufacturers". When I used the term "Fedingtonchester" I was hinting the MAJOR manufacturers. Guess I should have worked Black Hills & Hornady in there somehow. Consider them major also along with a very few others.
About the cases making it to trial. Anyone who pays attention should know that when influence/politics raises it's scaly head, a "good shoot" doesn't exist. There was a case in Philly where the attack was captured on a Fox News street cam and it still went to trial. The "victims" family was politically connected. Heck, look at the Duke lacrosse team "rape" case. One guy was documented to be several hundred miles away and was still charged.
About the cases making it to trial. Anyone who pays attention should know that when influence/politics raises it's scaly head, a "good shoot" doesn't exist. There was a case in Philly where the attack was captured on a Fox News street cam and it still went to trial. The "victims" family was politically connected. Heck, look at the Duke lacrosse team "rape" case. One guy was documented to be several hundred miles away and was still charged.
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If a prosecutor is out to "make his name" on you, it ain't gonna matter if it is a good or bad shoot, or what ammunition was used, you are most likely going down. Best to carry insurance. If you think that "but I was using factory ammo" is going to save you, guess again.
WR Moore, Yes there are "sub-caliber" prosecutors that will push a case that they know doesn't have enough evidence into court hoping an unwary jury will find the defendant guilty for whatever their reasoning is.
And yes they may try to make claims about the defendant to "paint" him in a bad way, but they don't use the gun or ammunition used unless it has real merit. Laws authorizing the use of deadly force have few restrictions on them as to what can or can't be used so it would be a waste of time to attack them on that angle. It's ironic that Mr. Ayoob chose the reloads vs. factory issue for when the time comes when there are restrictions put in place on the "power" of ammunition used for self defense as his, and his gaggle of friends, "expert" writings on factory ammunition and firearms will surely become very popular with the courts. They have been writing about which guns and ammunition are the most powerful and deadly for decades. And any internet expert will tell you that reloads aren't as good as factory ammo.
When Mr. Ayoob claimed he meant to use factory ammo because it would have "exemplar evidence", he didn't mention that not all factory ammo had it. Nor did he mention how to best take advantage of it or when and why it was most often used. The less people know the easier they can be fooled.
And yes they may try to make claims about the defendant to "paint" him in a bad way, but they don't use the gun or ammunition used unless it has real merit. Laws authorizing the use of deadly force have few restrictions on them as to what can or can't be used so it would be a waste of time to attack them on that angle. It's ironic that Mr. Ayoob chose the reloads vs. factory issue for when the time comes when there are restrictions put in place on the "power" of ammunition used for self defense as his, and his gaggle of friends, "expert" writings on factory ammunition and firearms will surely become very popular with the courts. They have been writing about which guns and ammunition are the most powerful and deadly for decades. And any internet expert will tell you that reloads aren't as good as factory ammo.
When Mr. Ayoob claimed he meant to use factory ammo because it would have "exemplar evidence", he didn't mention that not all factory ammo had it. Nor did he mention how to best take advantage of it or when and why it was most often used. The less people know the easier they can be fooled.
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I spoke to one of my customers who happens to be a criminal defense attorney about this subject a while ago. He told me it really depends upon the state and who the judge and prosecutor is. The way it was told to me that here in NYS since there are no “stand your ground” laws and the “castle doctrine” laws are very subjective and vague, you’d be much better off not using reloaded ammunition because more than likely the prosecutor will use that against you and more than likely you’ll get nailed to wall.
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