Sandy Hook shooting a managed event?

[Joewisc]

Someone needs to submit a FOI request for the police reports and court records. Here's one comment I heard today that distorts the facts: "I blame Lanza's mother for taking her autistic son to the shooting range." Was it ever established that Lanza had a mental illness?

 

[LVSteve]

It's definitely hard to just believe what they tell us....

Initial reports I read were that 2 Handguns were used and the Rifle was found in the car....

Note the word I have highlighted above. The media are all about being first, not being correct. Their sources inside law enforcement like the "benefits" they get from the media so no doubt when asked and unable to give clear information, either the source or the media hack make stuff up/fill in the blanks poorly.

I don't believe 10% of the stuff that appears in the media within 24 hours of any major incident/disaster/celebrity pregnancy or whatever because experience shows that it WILL BE WRONG. During this period certain bodies will latch on to information that suits their agenda and run with. When you tell them that the full facts contradict their assertions, you are now part of the conspiracy. In this thread alone Sandy Hook was a set up to ban guns or a set up to boost NRA membership. Puh-leeze!!!

 

[red14]

As a young rookie cop in Detroit back in the 1970s, I took notice that news stories of events that I was personally at were poorly or wrongly reported.
I also noticed that things that should have been in the headlines were back page or never reported. This was a local situation, and local news outlets and there was (still is) an attempt to make the City of Detroit appear better and safer than it actually was.

Fast forward to almost 35 years later and think of the implications that can occur when that type of news reporting happens on a national scale.

Do I think that there is a conspiracy to shape public opinion, misinform people, cover up the facts and or omit on purpose? You darn right I do.

Major left wing media is by far our biggest enemy in America today.

I am not a former LEO, but I am a youth coach of longstanding in
my community.

I have been interviewed on three occasions. Probably 80% of the
information in the subsequent stories was false. The names were
always wrong, numbers were always exaggerated (wins) and some
things just made up. People who knew me, would ask why I made
those things up. It was embarrassing.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Thank you and others on this forum for the high level of discourse on the part of most posters. I am 70 years old and love my country but no longer recognize it. I hope that those of you in the new generation won't forget history. "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." ~ Samuel Adams, 1776

You and I are of the same age. What you said about no longer recognizing this country hit home. It feels as if everything is moving at warp speed. Manners, courtesy, respect, privacy, are now all considered "relative" and looked on as "quaint and old fashion". There is something to be said about having lived in the "old days", good memories. It's sad our grandchildren will never have that experience.

 

[Joewisc]

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

 

[Pointshoot]

Joewisc - thank you for quoting Thomas Jefferson and Sam Adams - - -
The Mind and the Pitbull of the American Revolution.

 

[The Big D]

You are wrong.

Speaking of inventings "facts," Mr. Jefferson NEVER wrote/said those words. That is a FACT.

Be safe.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson

 

[The Big D]

Joewisc is absolutely incorrect re: Mr. Jefferson...perhaps Mr. Adams, too.

Joewisc - thank you for quoting Thomas Jefferson and Sam Adams - - -
The Mind and the Pitbull of the American Revolution.

 

[Joewisc]

Joewisc is absolutely incorrect re: Mr. Jefferson...perhaps Mr. Adams, too.

The quotations are generally attributed to both men. If you have evidence that proves otherwise, I suggest you provide it so we all can stand corrected. There are as many sources that validate the quotes than reject them, by the way.

 

[Joewisc]

You and I are of the same age. What you said about no longer recognizing this country hit home. It feels as if everything is moving at warp speed. Manners, courtesy, respect, privacy, are now all considered "relative" and looked on as "quaint and old fashion". There is something to be said about having lived in the "old days", good memories. It's sad our grandchildren will never have that experience.

Good to know there are others who feel the same sentiments. Thank you.

 

[jlrhiner]

I will tell you something I am absolutely sure of. I watched the coverage of this tragedy as it happened. (I do this to piss myself off). I followed the changing stories from the news reports with the normal grain of salt. I watched the Capt. of the Conn. State Patrol give the first press briefing stating that a GLOCK and a Sig Sauer, both in 9mm, were used in the shooting. And he said, repeatedly, that an AR-15 style Bushmaster rifle was recovered unfired from the shooters car.

I went to bed that night believing that the attack was made with the two pistols. The next morning, it was the AR.

I didn't make this up. Nor did I embellish it. And I watched the coverage of the event for approx. 9 hours (hey! I'm retired). So tell me, did the State Patrol Capt. not know what was going on?

 

[Comrad]

Good to know there are others who feel the same sentiments. Thank you.

I hit the Like button on this, I wish there was a I Really Like button, I would have hit that too.

The continual lowering of standards and expectations is or has really negatively affected this country. I don't know if it's even possible to recover anymore.

 

[badguybuster]

One of the things I hate about these threads (and am happy no politics on this forum) is that it turns nasty and people get into pissing battles.

 

[The Big D]

I have posted this before; here is the link again.

Strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms (Quotation) « Thomas Jefferson

Be safe.

The quotations are generally attributed to both men. If you have evidence that proves otherwise, I suggest you provide it so we all can stand corrected. There are as many sources that validate the quotes that reject them, by the way.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

I will tell you something I am absolutely sure of. I watched the coverage of this tragedy as it happened. (I do this to piss myself off). I followed the changing stories from the news reports with the normal grain of salt. I watched the Capt. of the Conn. State Patrol give the first press briefing stating that a GLOCK and a Sig Sauer, both in 9mm, were used in the shooting. And he said, repeatedly, that an AR-15 style Bushmaster rifle was recovered unfired from the shooters car.

I went to bed that night believing that the attack was made with the two pistols. The next morning, it was the AR.

I didn't make this up. Nor did I embellish it. And I watched the coverage of the event for approx. 9 hours (hey! I'm retired). So tell me, did the State Patrol Capt. not know what was going on?

Agree with this-also from what I gather he was buzzed in. Who would buzz into a school someone carrying a bushmaster??? Whereas pistols could be easily hidden. Why has not the NRA run with this???

 

[Rule3]

Not to be crass, but it is certainly easy enough to determine what bullets actually killed those poor children. Where is the ME report??

 

[M3Stuart]

Picture that robot on 'Lost in Space'

***warning*** ***danger Will Robinson***

Watch out for the logic trap! Watch out for how the conspiracy theory is framed.

For example: (this is not a political statement, just a rehash of historical events) in the aftermath of 9/11 people offered all sorts of conspiracy theories. If you actually studied them, they all end with "you cannot prove that the (government or whoever) did NOT do (such and such)".

Here's the logic trap: the negative cannot be proved. It's not possible. You cannot prove that the (government or whoever) did NOT do something, you can only prove the affirmative of, well, anything.

5 minutes in the oven at 350 degrees WILL melt the cheese on my nachos; we can test that and prove the affirmative.

The sun WILL come up tomorrow; we can wait until tomorrow morning and see it.

People always want to say; "what about this...what about that...". That's idle speculation. An absence of evidence does NOT prove the NEGATIVE. It merely FAILS to prove the AFFIRMATIVE thus rendering the affirmative hypothesis null. It's basic logic. The method is integral to all science.

Some people want to sit around and postulate; "What if the world ends on December 21st 2012?" Ok, let's test that...didn't happen. Have we 'proved anything'? Yes, we proved the affirmative hypothesis: "Will civilization continue as we know it subsequent to December 21st 2012?" Answer = Affirmative.

The logic trap is trying to 'prove the negative'. Watch for it. Don't fall for it.

The OP alludes to a situation where additional 'facts' are introduced to a known story with all kinds of implications; "what if it's true? what if they did this or that?" Ok. Fine. Let them state the hypothesis clearly and try to prove it with facts. I haven't got the time or inclination to try to make anybody's case for them. And I won't give any credibility to unproven hypotheses.

 

[StatesRightist]

Picture that robot on 'Lost in Space'

***warning*** ***danger Will Robinson***

Watch out for the logic trap! Watch out for how the conspiracy theory is framed.

For example: (this is not a political statement, just a rehash of historical events) in the aftermath of 9/11 people offered all sorts of conspiracy theories. If you actually studied them, they all end with "you cannot prove that the (government or whoever) did NOT do (such and such)".

Here's the logic trap: the negative cannot be proved. It's not possible. You cannot prove that the (government or whoever) did NOT do something, you can only prove the affirmative of, well, anything.

5 minutes in the oven at 350 degrees WILL melt the cheese on my nachos; we can test that and prove the affirmative.

The sun WILL come up tomorrow; we can wait until tomorrow morning and see it.

People always want to say; "what about this...what about that...". That's idle speculation. An absence of evidence does NOT prove the NEGATIVE. It merely FAILS to prove the AFFIRMATIVE thus rendering the affirmative hypothesis null. It's basic logic. The method is integral to all science.

Some people want to sit around and postulate; "What if the world ends on December 21st 2012?" Ok, let's test that...didn't happen. Have we 'proved anything'? Yes, we proved the affirmative hypothesis: "Will civilization continue as we know it subsequent to December 21st 2012?" Answer = Affirmative.

The logic trap is trying to 'prove the negative'. Watch for it. Don't fall for it.

The OP alludes to a situation where additional 'facts' are introduced to a known story with all kinds of implications; "what if it's true? what if they did this or that?" Ok. Fine. Let them state the hypothesis clearly and try to prove it with facts. I haven't got the time or inclination to try to make anybody's case for them.

The OP posted initially and further down stated that the post was intended to promote people's taking a look at all of the various articles, writings, contradictions etc and deciding for themselves what made sense to them and the appropriate response. No one was or is trying to force anyone to any particular conclusion.

I'd suggest you try reading the "OP's" posts again or better yet, save your Pseudo Intellectual attempts at Psychology and Mind Reading for someone or something else. The funniest part of your post is the fact you miss the irony that you are trying to introduce motive/facts to my post in order to prove your hypothesis on my intentions. Now go think on that for a while............

 

[Rule3]

Been reading your Principles of Logic Book again??

Besides the Robot was always right.

 

[Biginge]

Boys,

I'm on the South side of seventy now days and have seen a lot of "stuff" in my few years. I read all of the post and watch the news as all of us do. I try and understand what they just told me without inflection.

I don't know much and everyday the Good Lord leaves me here I realize I am getting dumber. It would be hard to imagine anyone feeling worse about the rash of mass shootings we have experienced recently than I do. I cannot fathom the feelings of the familys involved.

I do know for a fact that one common thread exist in all of these shootings. These fools (shooters) were crazy as hell. No way to sugar coat it, put a spin on it, etc. They were flatout crazy. I am speaking of Laughner (Arizona, Gabby Giffords, et.al). The Batman movie guy, is Holmes his name? And finally Lanza. I believe they used different weapons, maybe some were the same. It makes no difference what they used, people are dead, families are destroyed, and they are/were crazy as Hell.

But, the fact remains, there were crazy. I really think that we should hammer this point to oblivion and not try to "second, third, and infinity guess about events, that is at best, by us, only conjecture. I am not real sure the "others" don't delight in this hodge podge.

Just my 3 cents (adjusted for inflation).