School security

[Okie21]

An underpaid 7th grade teacher; carrying, whose wife is having a flirtation with the neighbor, whose college student son's tuition payment is late, whose most recent blood pressure test was elevated has a succession of bad days in the classroom caused by miscreant students whos parents immediately blame the school system when their little darlings act out.

What could possibly go wrong?

Well armed, well trained security whose ONLY job is the protection of students and staff is the solution. Retirees? Sure, who cares, it just needs to be funded. Period.

I have **** in my life too. I've been trying to get divorced for over 2 years. It's bitter and ugly. Our kids are living with her in another state. I work in the coal industry and my future there is bleak. Work is a constant source of stress. None of that has anything to do with me owning/carrying a gun.

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[jag312]

Tomorrow is Monday, most schools will be open. What has been done in the past week to "harden" them? As far as I know, nothing.

IMHO teachers with guns is a weak solution, it's a deterrent and its a start but do you want someone with minimal training to discharge a weapon in a classroom or hallway with students running and screaming? I believe a highly trained minimum of two depending upon the size of the school, of officers/soldiers/agents would be the best and really only solution. Meet evil force with greater good force to defeat it.

This has to be taken seriously.

Just my opinion.

During my time in high school, I knew of only two teachers that had any experience with firearms. One was a teacher who loved deer hunting and duck hunting. With parental approval, he would sometimes take a student or two with him for a weekend of hunting. The other teacher was former military who would sometimes talk about how much he liked his Browning BAR.

I know a lot of retired LEO who are vegetating in their retirement. I'll bet they would love to have something important to do, like providing security at schools. I'm sure they would volunteer once or twice a week or more. Then the students could get to know them as people, not just uniforms. Maybe, some of the students might even consider law enforcement as a career. I got to know some San Jose PD cops, and it influenced my career choices.

 

[MSgt G]

An underpaid 7th grade teacher; carrying, whose wife is having a flirtation with the neighbor, whose college student son's tuition payment is late, whose most recent blood pressure test was elevated has a succession of bad days in the classroom caused by miscreant students whos parents immediately blame the school system when their little darlings act out.

What could possibly go wrong?

WOW! Sounds like no one should be able to carry. The above could apply to every, or no, job.

 

[jdh]

Tomorrow is Monday, most schools will be open. What has been done in the past week to "harden" them? As far as I know, nothing.


Just my opinion.

I was finally told that during my wanderings around campus if I find an external door that has been propped open or left unlocked I was to close and lock it. Doors are not to be opened for anyone that does not present the proper ID for that campus.

It is a start.

 

[Oldfrt]

An abbreviated version of some posts I made in the concealed carry section thread.

Free shooting zones (gun free zones) violate the 2nd amendment.

 

[keith44spl]

An underpaid 7th grade teacher; carrying, whose wife is having a flirtation with the neighbor, whose college student son's tuition payment is late, whose most recent blood pressure test was elevated has a succession of bad days in the classroom caused by miscreant students whos parents immediately blame the school system when their little darlings act out.

What could possibly go wrong?

Well armed, well trained security whose ONLY job is the protection of students and staff is the solution. Retirees? Sure, who cares, it just needs to be funded. Period.

Well, that's a view for sure.......

I can't relate to the above 7th grade teacher....Can you????


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[kwselke]

I live in a large suburban school district(130,000 students and staff) and the district has a police force that reports directly to the superintendent. I am not privy to the details but good sources say they are upgrading protection at the schools above what they had prior to the latest incident.

The Houston ISD also maintains its own police dept. of duly trained and sworn LEOs.

 

[dben002]

One problem (as it has always been) is Resource's (money resource's) Especially for large school's. To provide adequate onsight security forces for schools it takes money that a lot of school systems don't have. Schools with multiple building locations and an open campus incur additional expense to secure.

In large counties where there are many large school systems, the county can't afford the cost.

What's the answer ?? If I knew that I would rich beyond imagination....There is no 1 answer. Hardened school systems with metal detectors and one way in only would be an extreme hardship for everyone, but it may have to come to that. Going to school may become like going to the court house or the airport.

One thing is for sure IMHO...there should be no gun free zone's in schools...Yes gun free for students and visitors, but that's it.

 

[joeintexas]

Seems a lot of folks are assuming just because they are teachers they don't already carry a firearm or aren't capable of good marksmanship. Have times changed that much? In high school one of my buddies father was the school principal. He used to take us both duck hunting, a passion of his. Yes we all carried shotguns. Sometimes other teachers at the school would come also. My guess is there are a lot of teachers today at a gun range shooting next to me and you.

 

[chaparrito]

WOW! Sounds like no one should be able to carry. The above could apply to every, or no, job.

Of course my description applies to all walks of life.

But not every job requires caring for a building full of other people's children.

I'm sure everyone here agrees that our tax money is flushed down the toilet on tons of ridiculous things. Providing the funding for well armed, professionally trained security adequate to the school population would not bd one of those. If they're retired LEOs or military so much the better. Anything else is feel-good, stop-gap, window dressing.

 

[Chik a Boom]

I was finally told that during my wanderings around campus if I find an external door that has been propped open or left unlocked I was to close and lock it. Doors are not to be opened for anyone that does not present the proper ID for that campus.

It is a start.

Yes, that is something I haven't seen a lot of on this latest incident...how and where was the entry made? Why aren't doors locked except for a main entrance that is manned or seen by employees (I'm thinking school office). Is the school not responsible here? Someone feel free to tell me what I missed...

 

[pawngal]

Just an interesting little tidbit, the CEO of my local indoor range is a middle school teacher. And SHE can outshoot me any day. I will try to talk with her one-on-one for her thoughts.

 

[Tam 3]

Erase "gun-free zones" and get out of the way of legal concealed carry. No extraneous qualification nor pay. Those that can will. Those who won't can't. The monster will not have a guaranteed free hand.

Regards,

Tam 3

 

[BAM-BAM]

Yes, that is something I haven't seen a lot of on this latest incident...how and where was the entry made? Why aren't doors locked except for a main entrance that is manned or seen by employees (I'm thinking school office). Is the school not responsible here? Someone feel free to tell me what I missed...

At the end of the school day..... It was reported that he entered through a stairwell/fire escape...... as kids were leaving for the day....... 45 acre campus >3000 students...... IIRC this happened in Bldg #8?

I posted in another thread..... at our HS and Middle School.... visitors must use the main entrance..... students seem to come and go out of 3-5 exits on all four sides of the buildings.......parking lots and sports fields are all around the buildings.

 

[chaparrito]

Just an interesting little tidbit, the CEO of my local indoor range is a middle school teacher. And SHE can outshoo

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t me any day. I will try to talk with her one-on-one for her thoughts.

Please share when you speak to her. Lots of differing opinions on this issue. Many of the educators I work with are shooters or hunters.

 

[crracer_712]

In my home town, we have had a resource officer in our Elementary, middle and High School for a few years now. These are actual Police officers in full uniform at the schools. My boys, 2 years apart in school, were both in high school when they started this. Both say the officers just roam the halls and commons area interacting with the students and everyone seems to enjoy them there.

On occasion there is rumor of a kid making various threats and the school sends out an email to the parents alerting them of such threat and how it has been handled. This is a small town of ~10k, we have our share of bad apples, but the system pretty much works and no one has ever been hurt.

The key is for kids that know of an issue, to speak up.

 

[andrewradford]

When I was in high school 2006-2010, we had a school resource officer that was armed, but he was and still is in his last years of being a LEO. My hometown assigned police officers to each school within our school system. Recently, I have learned that they have cut one of the officers out and have put two schools under then protection of one officer. These schools are on opposite sides of town and the officer stays at one school and only goes to the other school when something happens. I feel that we as a nation should come together and employ our veterans that are coming home without jobs. I cannot think of a more qualified individual to protect our nations kids than a veteran.


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[jrm53]

I was working in then tractor last week and had a talk show guy on and a fellow called in with the best idea i have heard, he says to close the schools and give the kids computers and let them attend from home as they all have their heads in a phone or computer. Think of the benefits no teachers no buses no traffic jams two times a day. Also no dragging a smart kid down with the ones who cant cut it. Every one goes at their own speed. Think of the savings from the tax for the schools also no 1/2 million salaries for superintendents. Around here they are building a new school every year. Think about this it could work but every one will fight it. Jeff