While tap-rack-bang is the proper basic response to a malfunction, it's pretty common to see folks pull the trigger again a time or two after experiencing a failure during a rapid string of fire in Force-on-Force training. Restrike capability could potentially be a lifesaver in certain rare instances, but if you are using high quality 9mm defensive ammunition in a high quality modern firearm, I think a TRB is most likely necessary to correct the cause of the malfunction in the vast majority of cases. I myself would prefer to have restrike capability since I like true DAO handguns, but when I consider all factors and compare the various guns in 9mm, the best choices(IMO) do not have it. I want a proven and reliable weapon so that neither TRB nor restrike capability is likely to ever have to be utilized. For me, if I was looking for a small single-stack 9mm to carry IWB, I would be looking real hard at a Glock 43 or maybe even a Shield.
Semiautomatic pistols with 2nd strike abilty?
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Yep! 100%
Tap, rack, bang! Simple solution
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If you're looking at striker fired pistols you have described the Taurus 709 almost perfectly. The only thing is the low capacity but that sorta comes with the turf for small pistols. At only 1" wide it is thin but it only holds 7+1 rounds. Personally I prefer the PT-145 which is a .45 that holds 10+1 and is only 1.25" wide. That's small. Obviously the weight will be more when you add a few more rounds. The PT-145 is a double stack pistol. There's also the double stack 9 in the same series. And like many Taurus pistols these two guns both have second strike capability. The first strike is in single action mode and the second is double action. At least that's how it is on my PT-145. I have a G2 but I bought it for the wife (she never carries it) but it's fell back to me. I just haven't really learned the details about it because I carry other guns.
It should be said the older models in the PT series have a flaw that caused Taurus to offer to buy them back or replace them. Mine has never had the problem and it's one heck of a nice pistol (never failed to feed or eject and is crazy accurate) so I'm holding onto it. I just use it as a night stand pistol so I don't have to worry about dropping it (the problem is they sometimes fire even with the safety engaged when they are dropped). Again I don't see how a person could find a better pistol for any amount of money except for that problem. It just works like I want it to work. 5000 rounds with zero feeding issues and accuracy that has to be seen to be believed.
It should be said the older models in the PT series have a flaw that caused Taurus to offer to buy them back or replace them. Mine has never had the problem and it's one heck of a nice pistol (never failed to feed or eject and is crazy accurate) so I'm holding onto it. I just use it as a night stand pistol so I don't have to worry about dropping it (the problem is they sometimes fire even with the safety engaged when they are dropped). Again I don't see how a person could find a better pistol for any amount of money except for that problem. It just works like I want it to work. 5000 rounds with zero feeding issues and accuracy that has to be seen to be believed.
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My 1911 has second strike capability. Just cock the hammer again.
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That gun has been talking to me for a while. Hammer fired DAO, double stack, small, light, inexpensive, and gets a lot of great reviews. Last night my wife said she just ordered a new coat, so if I want the Sccy, go for it. Ain't love grand?
And if I don't like it, not much lost.
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The only time double strike capability would matter to me is if I were being lowered into a pool teeming with robot zombie sharks and I only had one round left. I certainly wouldn't want it to drop into the water... ��
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Dry fire practice would be the only actual positive I could place on this ability.
When it goes click it, goes airborne and another chance for greatness is ushered into its former abode.
Dry fire practice would be the only actual positive I could place on this ability.
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The Sig 938 was mentioned. Even though it's a single action 1911 style, it's worthy of a look. I have one and carry iwb, and while a tad on the heavy side, the weight helps with recoil, and it's still a small package. So if cocking the hammer would fit your requirement of double strike, I'd suggest shooting one.
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I am surprised no-one else has mentioned CZs. Seems like a good option unless the double stack is too thick. 1.25" width, 26 oz on the RAMI.
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For perspective, my Ruger LCR 357 Magnum's widest point is 1.285 inches. This point, at the cylinder, is but a smidgeon larger than the widest point on the grip I use.
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And the curves of a revolver blend into the curves of the human body more easily than the angles of an auto-loader, making it more consealable.
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My wife carries a Witness Pavona, the grip almost feels like a single stack. She carries cocked, and locked, but she still has the option of DA for second strike on the primer.
When he said "thinnest and smallest 9mm", that took CZ and most double stack guns off the table IMO. That said, I think people obsess over a super thin gun when 99% of the time they could easily conceal a standard double stack pistol, or even larger! I also think CZ makes outstanding weapons and would recommend a CZ-75 over pretty much every other DA/SA gun except maybe a SIG P229 with SRT.
Then again, I carry a 4" M29 as my CCW most days while wearing shorts and a untucked button up shirt, so like I said I think people worry too much over a super thin gun.
BTW, for the OP, a Springfield XD-E is another option.
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You might be correct. I'll have a more nearly accurate judgment when I've tried some of the suggestions and recommendations of this thread.
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There are trade offs for everything, but I don't think that the Glock 43 or the M&P Shield is more reliable than the Walther P99c. However, the P99c is about a quarter of an inch thicker.
I have never understood choosing most single stacks over a Glock 26, though, which is only a bit more than a tenth of an inch thicker than the Glock 43, for example, yet doubles your ammunition load. If the extra weight is a consideration, you could always short load the Glock 26.
I carried a Beretta Nano for a long time, though, because I could pocket carry it, unlike most other single stack 9x19s.
The smallest auto I own is actually a G26. I don't carry IWB, but a lot people who do much prefer the the slimmer G43. I have no experience with the Walther P99 or how it compares to a Glock, but I imagine it's a fine weapon. They used to make a true DAO version of the P99 and maybe still do for certain markets, but I don't think they are available here.
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