Sick of the "elite" bad mouthing the Sigma

why would you care what a snob thinks? there are those who poo poo thier pants if you say 1911 and anything other than les baer in the same breath....so what?

your gun works, so what does it matter what the nay sayers say?
 
Sounds like you have the food taken care of. I'll bring the ammo and targets.:p



Sweet!! I new all that shooting was good for something.:D

LMAO!!! Ammo and targets???? NIIIIIIICE!!

Lee, have a safe place to shoot? Backyard? LOL Nearest range?

I just thought of something. If we run out of targets, we can shoot up tortillas. LMAO!!

357, swing by and pick me up on the way to Lee's. LOL
 
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I lost track of this post after, "I fell deeply in love with it as soon as it touched my yearning and supple fingers", or something like that.
 
Yeah, people used to polk fun at my Hi Pernt collection until their expensive custom guns quite working and mine still shoot. I feel your pain, bro.

What is a Hi Pernt collection??? Tried googling, but nothing, it asked me if I was looking for Hi Point.
 
Well, just got back from the range and tore the heck out of the head and center mass of the target with my Sigma, but I did notice something right away. After firing approximately 1500-2000 rounds through it since I got it, the trigger is not all that bad anymore. I don't know if it's me used to it or if it is the trigger loosening up, but what a world of difference. What a nice feeling...makes me want to go back and shoot some more. Glad I got the Sigma....guess I'm stuck being one of the "un-elite"...lol!

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Amen to that brother!!! You know what the problem is with being elite?? You always got to worry about a plane running into your nose. LOL:D
 
Amen to that brother!!! You know what the problem is with being elite?? You always got to worry about a plane running into your nose. LOL:D

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I'm a total noob when it comes to Sigmas. I've never owned one nor have I shot one. My question is this -What makes these weapons so inferior in some peoples opinions? ... I've read about the trigger pull, but what else is it that people dislike so much?

Do they FTF or blow up in peoples hands?

I'd love to hear from both sides of this issue ...

Cheers,
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well i do think sigmas are cheap but they are not worse then those ugly glocks.
 
I'm a total noob when it comes to Sigmas. I've never owned one nor have I shot one. My question is this -What makes these weapons so inferior in some peoples opinions? ... I've read about the trigger pull, but what else is it that people dislike so much?

Do they FTF or blow up in peoples hands?

Two common complaints:
1. The trigger is long and heavy like a revolver.
1a. Modifying it to be much lighter raises reliability issues.

2. The sights are plastic fixed, and few aftermarket sights are available.

In stock form, the current Sigmas are as reliable and ergonomic as most anything, including guns selling for 3X the price. That isn't the issue at all. I use Sigmas as trainers and compete with an M&P 9 Pro, and reliability is rock solid with all.
 
Guys! Guys! Come on, don't be so hard on the elite!

They're good people that have to inflate their own egos to feel good about themselves; usually covering up a shortcoming of some kind.
 
Do they FTF or blow up in peoples hands?

I'd love to hear from both sides of this issue ...

No, don't confuse them with another manufacturer.

Both sides: little girls can pull the trigger just fine, it's the 250lb cowboys that use their computer for a shooting range, that can't!
 
But to answer your question -- why does the Gun Elite rag on Sigma's? I think the answer is fourfold. First, S&W quality had dropped off compared to other companies, back in the 1980's and into the 1990's, earning a lot of disfavor (this was when quality European guns -- Sig, HK, and Glock -- hit the market with very good designs and high quality products that really took off).

Second, when the Sigma came along in 1994, during those hard times for S&W, the company was getting on the plastic gun band-wagon late, causing some ridicule; and then the Sigma's initial quality was not so hot, with a lot of reported reliability problems (Added: a Google check indicates early Sigmas had problems with the striker, ejection port, trigger, dust cover strength, etc.).

Third, the Sigma was pretty much a blatant copy of the Glock -- raising the question, is that the best you can do, S&W? Glock sued and won a settlement from S&W on copyright infringement. Sigma's reputation plummeted.

Fourth, on top of all of that, S&W (then under a different parent company) became the object of much opprobrium for signing an agreement in 2000 supporting gun-control initiatives of the Clinton administration. There was actually a serious boycott of S&W by many gun rights believers, and S&W sales dropped. When S&W was saved by new owners in 2001 -- who would later resurrect the company by repudiating the agreement with the government and by introducing better products with much higher quality control -- they initially introduced the much-maligned internal lock on S&W revolvers, earning more dislike among serious gun fans on top of everything else.

All of this compounded to give the Sigma a bad rap -- the purists looked down their noses at the Sigma. In the last 10 years, the Sigma soldiered on while S&W improved in all other areas, introduced the superb M&P pistols around 2005, and -- largely unheralded -- also improved the quality of the Sigma.

Fast forward to today, and what do you find? A revitalized S&W, with great relations with its customer base because it makes excellent products and really stands behind them. The boycott is long forgotten, although you can find mention of it on old web postings.

The current Sigma is much improved, and is a good value for the money. The durability and reliability are as good as it gets. The trigger is adequate for self-defense work and can be mastered -- although, out of the box, is not as easy to use as the trigger on the M&P or even the SD. All this ancient baggage is just keeping the demand -- and thus the price -- down to a reasonable level. The Elite's loss, our gain.
 
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I re-edited my post to get the sequence of events right.

Anyone else with comments on why the Sigma gets badmouthed by people who have never seen let alone shot one are welcome to amend my litany of "historical" observations behind this trend.

Thanks!
 
Something else:

As Smith suffered from the woes you mentioned, the Kool-Aid crowd was growing in numbers by leaps and bounds.

They had and still have a vested interest in putting the sigma down.

OK with me though, as it has put the sigma at the price point it's at today. Great job, thanks!
 
Something else:

As Smith suffered from the woes you mentioned, the Kool-Aid crowd was growing in numbers by leaps and bounds.

They had and still have a vested interest in putting the sigma down.

OK with me though, as it has put the sigma at the price point it's at today. Great job, thanks!


Amen brother. Works for me.:o
 
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