Yeah, well good for you.
The media is spreading fear
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I'm so bright my mother used to call me 'sun' (I think).
Just for the record I think some of the restrictions are stupid. Can't fish on an empty beach????. Drive on the road in a car, why not? But, there are always stupid laws. Here I can drive around with a loaded gun and no permit. Most states thats a no go. To me thats stupid. But, if your state has stupid restrictions it might not be the press butt it might be a stupid governor. If your city has stupid rules its probably your mayor.
But, the idea that restrictions are not helping and this isn't serious is ridiculous. As I said. Look at Sweden, it placed no restrictions and has lost 12,000 people. They have 10 million population, 1/36 of ours. 36x1,200=43,200. Would another 20,000+ lives be OK as long as you could have done whatever you pleased? Or be like its neighbor Norway placed on the harshest restrictions since WWII on its 5 million and only lost 146 people. Less then 30 per million. 30x360=10,600.
But, the idea that restrictions are not helping and this isn't serious is ridiculous. As I said. Look at Sweden, it placed no restrictions and has lost 12,000 people. They have 10 million population, 1/36 of ours. 36x1,200=43,200. Would another 20,000+ lives be OK as long as you could have done whatever you pleased? Or be like its neighbor Norway placed on the harshest restrictions since WWII on its 5 million and only lost 146 people. Less then 30 per million. 30x360=10,600.
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ParadiseRoad
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..."Where we're going, it's not a reopening in that we're going to reopen what was. We're going to a different place," Cuomo said"...
...scary stuff there...
...scary stuff there...
The whole thing is scary. Just like 911 some will try to use it to advance their positions and powers. Government always does. When I was listening to 911 I knew it would cost us some of our freedoms. Didn't mean it wasn't real or the people in the towers we not going to die.
What happens from here on out is on us. Not on the media or the government. They only do what we allow them to do.
T Yes, the media lies and has an agenda. They blow things up. No kidding, just figure that out with this?
What happens from here on out is on us. Not on the media or the government. They only do what we allow them to do.
T Yes, the media lies and has an agenda. They blow things up. No kidding, just figure that out with this?
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As a New York subject just let me use this line from Ramses II. It also works well for king Andrew!
"So let it be written. So let it be done."
I feel your pain, because your pain is now our pain...I swear our governor is taking direction from President Cuomo. He just announced he's joining Cuomo's cabal to coordinate the reopening of states. His reason is to prevent out of stater's from coming here if we reopen something before they do...the example he cited was golf courses of all things. So now we don't run the risk of hoards of NYC residents rushing here to by a pack of Fruit of The Looms if our governor allows clothing to be sold before NY does.
Better get some masks Dave, they can find you in the woods too.
NY to order masks, cloth coverings be worn in public to fight coronavirus
LVSteve
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The daily briefings are broadcast live, unfiltered ...
...and largely unwatchable because so few of participants can stick to a script or string a sentence together.
I personally find all the tossing out of bouquets at the beginning of the talks maddening. I am sure not all with agree with that sentiment, but I detest the time wasted. Yes, we're all grateful for the efforts of health professionals and always will be, but there's other information I need/would like to hear up front.
TL;DR version: I've given up on the briefings, national and state.
Cannot understand that some think...
...America can survive whilst people are being paid MORE THAN THEY MADE whilst working to stay at home. People forget estheticians, bartenders, barbers, hoteliers, restaurateurs, and the list goes on, can NEVER make up for lost incomes. Never.
Some states deny citizens access to homes they OWN. Some states deny American citizens services and travel.
Who would ever have thought citizens would be denied Constitutional rights to worship, peaceably assemble, etc.?
Seems some fear living...and with governmental edicts in place, this is not living.
If I am struck dead by Covid-19, it was my time.
Be safe...and be well.
PS: No economy can survive simply by printing more money. And just think what the TRILLIONS of dollars being printed could do had they been applied to true health care issues like cancer, heart disease, and Alzheimer's research.
...America can survive whilst people are being paid MORE THAN THEY MADE whilst working to stay at home. People forget estheticians, bartenders, barbers, hoteliers, restaurateurs, and the list goes on, can NEVER make up for lost incomes. Never.
Some states deny citizens access to homes they OWN. Some states deny American citizens services and travel.
Who would ever have thought citizens would be denied Constitutional rights to worship, peaceably assemble, etc.?
Seems some fear living...and with governmental edicts in place, this is not living.
If I am struck dead by Covid-19, it was my time.
Be safe...and be well.
PS: No economy can survive simply by printing more money. And just think what the TRILLIONS of dollars being printed could do had they been applied to true health care issues like cancer, heart disease, and Alzheimer's research.
UncleEd
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All right, the media is bad!
Believe little that is reported or none.
Only believe in what you know, truly
know from your backgrounds in history,
politics, economics, spiritual beliefs,
science and all life lessons.
After all, each of us is a universe unto
our own. And continue with the free will
each possesses.
Believe little that is reported or none.
Only believe in what you know, truly
know from your backgrounds in history,
politics, economics, spiritual beliefs,
science and all life lessons.
After all, each of us is a universe unto
our own. And continue with the free will
each possesses.
I'm beginning to see a pattern. People with pensions, SS and savings are ok with keeping things shut down, err locked down, err, I mean the way it is.
What about those that have young families and need to work, you think $2400 is going to last for long?
What about those that have young families and need to work, you think $2400 is going to last for long?
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Puller
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In my opinion, if the media learns anything from the COVID-19 event, it is how easy it's going to be when they decide it's time for the government to come get our guns.
Jon651
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Wow, that's a lot to unpack.
The naked fact is that deaths from heart attacks, flu, auto accidents or whatever DO trash our economy. To the tune of billions in insurance claims, lost wages, lost economic output, hospital and medical costs, and a hundred other things. It's the simple fact that it's been going on for so long it is no longer news. We've simply gotten used to it, have learned to work around it, and factor it into our economy so that now we pretty much ignore it.
I'm also old enough to remember all the folks yelling about our rights when they made seatbelts and airbags mandatory - or even vaccines. I predict that in a few months this pandemic will also become so commonplace that the coverage won't be as wall-to-wall as it is today. But for now the news is covering COVID-19 exclusively - because there is literally nothing else going on. Heck, I can't even go to a baseball game.
As for the news not being "fair and balanced" that appears to be more a combination of what source we choose to listen to shaded by our own personal beliefs (which is the same for me as it is for anyone else, by the way). It's not that any news source isn't reporting pertinent information, just not the information that you want to hear. And before you complain too loudly about the lack of "positive spin", you should really consider what the definition of "spin" is in that context. I for one ain't looking for happy-talk, but I'm also judicious enough to know the difference between "editorial journalism" and "hard reporting" when I hear it.
Simply put, we are rehashing the exact same arguments that are always given too much oxygen every time some crisis - both major or minor - crops up. But with the number of infections and deaths that the US is experiencing (and all the issues that go with it - personal, economic, etc.) then I personally believe that complaining about the lack of positive spin is exactly what I've said - faux outrage. Hate me for my opinion if you like (it's still a semi-free country after all), but you aren't going to convince folks to stick with the only program that is currently working unless you give them more HARD FACTS than happy lip service.
So in other words you are saying those people should have all their business open up and send everybody back to work in the factory. restaurant, stores or whatever, regardless of who may or may not be carrying covid 19. Just go for it. maybe get sick and die or maybe not??
Essential" people are working, so lets kill of the no essentials?
How do you propose opening things back up and safeguarding peoples heath? Or is there really not a problem out there?
You going to take up the slack for the dead peoples families? You going to pay for their funerals?
If you only open some businesses, lots of those kept closed will scream like gut shot hogs. Define essential. A feed store is essential around here. In New York city not so much. Some guys think bars are essential I don't. What activities are essential? Schools? Kid isn't swift enough to make it missing 4 months there isn't much hope anyway. I figure if my Higher Power can't find me at my home he isn't much of a Higher power. Who do you propose should decide? Right now it is mainly the governors. Hey, South Dakota never shut down anything, of course they are now dealing with a big out break for their size in their major city Sioux Falls.
Why don't you tell your governor which ones you want opened up and why?
Welcome to the dark side, that's been fairly obvious since day one of this nightmare. These...inconveniences as some call it, aren't really a big deal for some. But for the family with young kids and a mortgage that lost their jobs, the small business owner that suddenly had what they built destroyed, the landlord that suddenly has a building full of people that cant pay the rent...this is more than inconvenient. Not that I would want to see it, but it would be interesting to see the response if the government announced that help for the unemployed about to lose everything would be funded by a reduction in SS checks and pensions.
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